7 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

Dijiste que "la base de usuarios se está hundiendo día a día; los desarrolladores externos se están alejando...". Tengo curiosidad por saber dónde está el sur y cuáles son las opciones allí... P3D, X-Plane, Aerofly, DCS... ?  🙂

Don't forget 2020 that it runs pretty stable and being honest the changes in 2024 are not that mind-blowing either if you put a balance of improvements between one simulator and the other from 3k feet.

It does indeed need a performance fix quickly. They said they had RAM usage under control. Too bad I still hit my max of 32GB pretty quickly and then performance tanks.

4 minutes ago, Farlis said:

It does indeed need a performance fix quickly. They said they had RAM usage under control. Too bad I still hit my max of 32GB pretty quickly and then performance tanks.

I spoke about this to a programmer last week, and he said two words " Bad programming". 

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

It does indeed need a performance fix quickly. They said they had RAM usage under control. Too bad I still hit my max of 32GB pretty quickly and then performance tanks.

I'm not regretting upgrading to 64GB when someone posted ideal PC requirement for 2024 couple moths ago. But yes 32GB was also listed so Asobo need to fix it! Basically I'm thinking they need to prioritize technical 2024 issues for users and 3rd party developers before tackle other bugs. 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I spoke about this to a programmer last week, and he said two words " Bad programming". 

Never trust a programmer, especially opinionated one  ! LOL Anyone can be a programmer because its just coding, which is easiest part of software developing cycle  ! There are so many variables that can affect coding. It is all comes down architecture and design that falls to responsibility of software engineer. Bad design may limit options and cause writing everything from the scratch. 

4 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Never trust a programmer, especially opinionated one  ! LOL Anyone can be a programmer because its just coding, which is easiest part of software developing cycle  ! There are so many variables that can affect coding. It is all comes down architecture and design that falls to responsibility of software engineer. Bad design may limit options and cause writing everything from the scratch. 

Yeah, well despite everything, any program that requires 64GB of ram, in my opinion as a user, is unacceptable.  I use 2020, and even though I have 32 GB of ram, the highest ram I ever see being used is just maybe 1 or 2 GB higher than 16, and that is flying PMDG 777, 737 and Fenix. 

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by Bobsk8

Despite all the moaning and complaining I enjoy the game very much. A fix of the most annoying career bugs would be great, though. And of course the VRAM problem needs to be adressed. But still: this game is more fun than ever. Today I flew some little missions around Belem, Brazil and Hamburg, Germany. Simply stunning. Now I'll start the game and buy a new plane in career mode. Somehow I like the Cessna Corvalis. :-)

Does anyone know if Asobo made changes to allow users to install core game files onto another drive? (This is big no go for me for 2024)

I bought the FSL A321, GSX Pro & BATC to play with over the holiday so I'm using 2020 for all that, and an unmodded 2024 if I fancy a GA VFR flight. I always used to just plonk the cargo and PAX in the 737 and fly from A to B ignoring ATC, so I'm enjoing a big increase in immersion that's keeping me busy while 2024 gets some TLC.

No technical issues with what I'm doing, so a happy simmer here.

45 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Never trust a programmer, especially opinionated one  ! LOL Anyone can be a programmer because its just coding, which is easiest part of software developing cycle  ! There are so many variables that can affect coding. It is all comes down architecture and design that falls to responsibility of software engineer. Bad design may limit options and cause writing everything from the scratch. 

Yup, asking the right questions (system engineer/system-business analyst) is half the solution. This procedure works especially with regards to large in-house apps:
1. write and agree on the doc (avoid creature features later)
2. make it work
3. make it fast
4. make it pretty

51 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

I bought the FSL A321, GSX Pro & BATC to play with over the holiday so I'm using 2020 for all that, and an unmodded 2024 if I fancy a GA VFR flight. I always used to just plonk the cargo and PAX in the 737 and fly from A to B ignoring ATC, so I'm enjoing a big increase in immersion that's keeping me busy while 2024 gets some TLC.

No technical issues with what I'm doing, so a happy simmer here.

The least buggy part is the Free Flight option. I use FS2024, Fenix, FSLTL, Beyondatc, Active Sky .

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, well despite everything, any program that requires 64GB of ram, in my opinion as a user, is unacceptable.  I use 2020, and even though I have 32 GB of ram, the highest ram I ever see being used is just maybe 1 or 2 GB higher than 16, and that is flying PMDG 777, 737 and Fenix. 

There are quite a few heavy hitter applications that will take whatever RAM is available.

And let's not kid ourselves, flight sim is a compute intensive game.

The thing to keep in mind is that MS/Asobo will always be laser focused on ensuring Xbox compatibility.

So as to "need" and "requirement", that'll be where it tops out.

And quite frankly, RAM makes the world go round. If Asobo said I'd get a commensurate performance increase from 64 or 128 GB,  I would absolutely do it. It's nothing compared to the effort, expense and risk of a new GPU or CPU.

9 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

There are quite a few heavy hitter applications that will take whatever RAM is available.

And let's not kid ourselves, flight sim is a compute intensive game.

The thing to keep in mind is that MS/Asobo will always be laser focused on ensuring Xbox compatibility.

So as to "need" and "requirement", that'll be where it tops out.

And quite frankly, RAM makes the world go round. If Asobo said I'd get a commensurate performance increase from 64 or 128 GB,  I would absolutely do it. It's nothing compared to the effort, expense and risk of a new GPU or CPU.

2024 definitely likes ram

 

Playing with my TLOD...

 

At 200, I'm using about 12gig vram. At 300 I'm using about 14gig and at 400 I've seen it go as high as 18gig. The gpu is working hard at all settings, not really a significant difference although I would say about 5%

 

With 64gigs of ram I see at 200 I use about 31gigs. At 300 about 37-38gigs and at 400 about 45-46gigs.

 

FPS is always good, 80+ with FG

 

Others have said they can't see the difference, I certainly can. At KCOS with the mountains in the foreground I can see the background mountains sharpen as I increase the TLOD.

 

I think with 2024 its going to be about microstutters not fps. I think its all about the smooth movement of data and not all about the horsepower.

11 hours ago, rick celik said:

This, I can feel that the “extended user base” are turning away… and us hard core simmers are staying. 

On first blush that statement seems incongruent.  Unfortunately the sim primarily targets that extended user base and literally ignores core simmers.  No different than four years ago.

In the case of 2024 they reached out and got some fresh development for the sim itself from what had been 3rd party developers.  Some interesting and  useful "craft" are included, especially for exploring the new eye candy.  In doing so those developers devoted resources to the partnerships.  Then at the time of release it appears the back has been turned on them for gaining the "quid pro quo" help necessary to bring their own 2020 vintage products forward to 2024.  Most of those developed products are targeted at core simmers.

So much for partnerships.

Rick. I totally appreciate your crafted use of "extended user base" to replace the oft-incendiary G-rs word.  My had is off to you.

What I’m most disappointed with 2024 is the fact we appear to have gone back several steps - to the early stages of 2020, this worries me as the development cycle for its predecessor was slow and troublesome - two steps forward one step back with each update, and occasionally a step back with no improvements following an update.

so no lessons learned, as I’ve said on here many times.

I was hoping for 2024 to feature improvements to core areas such as ATC, live traffic and much better performance, we didn’t get.

so they focused on other core improvements, ground details/ tessellation - that’s very good and GA flying is well rewarded, once they start on the in-house improvements to the auto gen it will be even better imo. PG yeah that’s still sh1te.

the lighting is great, small improvements to clouds, but not water - shame. 

imo 2024 is like a 2020 update, one step forward but two steps back, some improvements but other areas neglected when really they should have been nailed before release or delay.