3 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

Look forward to being told that we should just ignore Greezer cause if everyone ignores them they'll go away (cause that worked so great). Instead of you know just.. banning them.

Anyway until the next crazy thread where someone else will get baited.

Now you want to ban people that disagree with you? pathetic! 

21 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

The shutdown issue was caused by the mandatory installation of the monthly NAV AIRAC database update on April 17th which originates from Lufthansa. I don’t know why it would cause MSFS 2020 to hang on exit, but it does. There must be something in that particular AIRAC that prevents the main MSFS process from closing completely.

I would not expect a resolution to the problem until the next scheduled AIRAC update, which will be on May 14th

I am not sure on that one,  everyone got the Airac update, not everyone is having the issue.  Perhaps the CU update as not everyone has installed that.  

I never installed CU and my sim shuts down fine for example but I have the latest Airac update.

13 hours ago, Greazer said:

The latest reports of the 2024 Beta is that it's a Streaming mess. Full of Stutters, Freezes, CTD's, and probably BSOD's too!   The streaming experiment has failed. It will always fail.

There is trouble in paradise folks.
 

Streaming is not an experiment -- it is here to stay, in flight simming and much else. And it has transformed flight simming for me, taking it to a whole new level. 

Personally, I find myself content with the bifurcation of MSFS into two versions.

The problem with continued development of any platform is that development goes hand-in-hand with instability.  When Asobo was busy messing with MSFS2020, things often went wrong, and sometimes they went VERY wrong.  As it stands now, we have a pretty stable platform in MSFS2020 that's mostly free from Asobo's tinkering hands, and an actively-developing and evolving platform in MSFS2024 that's unacceptably, yet in truth predictably, unstable for many of us still.  Not for all, but yes, still not ready for prime time for a whole bunch of us.

It took over three years from release for MSFS2020 and it's ecosystem to mature to a point where I considered it for routine use--MSFS 2024 has been on the street less than six months, so based on my 30+ years of simming experience I don't harbor any real expectations of stability there for some time still.  And historically, this kind of evolution has a lot of precedent and really strikes me as pretty normal: it took over three years from release for FSX to mature enough for me to even think about moving away from FS9; it took Lockheed Martin almost five years to get P3D up to the threshold of usability with the release of P3D v3, and XPlane was a chocolate mess for many years and unusable for me until after XP11 was released and had a few years to cook.

Having both a "developed" option (2020) and a "developing" option (2024) gets us away from what I see as the biggest problem inherent in the server-client model, which is that the only constant is change itself--and forced change at that.  MSFS2020 now provides a relatively safe stepping-off point away from the shifting sand for those who've been frustrated by riding that merry-go-round, while MSFS2024 can light up the adventure seekers willing to accept the risk of development-driven change and instability in order to be the first to taste the fruits of progress.

31 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Now you want to ban people that disagree with you? pathetic! 

Lol you can't actually belive that that's the point im trying to get across. I tell you what though, you believe that. Not really going to try and explain to you Greezer's tactics if you can't see it at this point.

Edited April 30, 20251 yr by Lucky38i

14 hours ago, Greazer said:

This includes Inibuilds who have started making sceneries for 2024 only and stopped with 2020 scenery updates

PMDG will also stop releasing new 2020 products after the 777-200ER, and they're not a partner dev.

Asobo/Microsoft isn't pushing anyone to abandon 2020, they're doing it on their own accord.

2024 has new and better features than 2020, you can't back port products easily, they'd have to be separate builds, which would take extra dev time.

 

14 hours ago, Greazer said:

The latest reports of the 2024 Beta is that it's a Streaming mess. Full of Stutters, Freezes, CTD's, and probably BSOD's too!   The streaming experiment has failed. It will always fail.

I haven't had a CTD in 2024 since December, and I haven't see a single person report a BSOD when using the sim.

Streaming hasn't failed, your effort to push your agenda has though.

Edited April 30, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

5 hours ago, Greazer said:

If only they were around before FSX release.

They would have been proud of the infamous DX10 fake posted by Aces.

They never claimed it would look like that exactly, it was an artists interpretation of what it *might* look like.

2 hours ago, lenny777 said:

This goes back to their dishonesty in how MSFS 2024 was pushed out. There was no conditionals such as every developer does such as Alpha build which it clearly was. Not beta. Only after the tremendous blow back did they apologize and preface the releases by voluntarily using beta builds.

It was called a Tech Alpha, Alpha was in the literal name.

And having betas for major updates wasn't because the launch was the mess, they're just continuing the same Beta program they were doing with 2020 for the last 4 years.

56 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

You got that right, this was so far from reality they should of been sued for false advertisement!!!! 

They never claimed it would look like that exactly, it was an artists interpretation of what it *might* look like. It wasn't false advertising.

Edited April 30, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

Fix 2020 not shutting down, Ctrl alt delete is getting old

I do understand why it is 1 forum for both 2020 and 2024.  We always had separate forums between past versions, but we never had this much overlap.  There's just too many things that still apply to both sims.  Separating them would justs be confusing.  Many addons still release for both sims, so where would they go?  We'd likely have multiple threads on the same addon, which would get super confusing.  The amount of overlap between the two sims is still really high.  

If I were to add one thing - it would be nice if there was just a "I hate 2024" thread that people posted all this stuff in.  People are entitled to their opinion, it just seems excessive that people need to make a slightly different version of the same post nearly every day.  That way people could express their opinions, while others could avoid it completely.  We can still have threds on specific things like beta updates, but the excessive new threads seem to be the issue.  

 

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Hi,

Stopped using MS2020 due to the stutters and flickers that seem to pop up every other day. I also received a refund for 2024 same day I purchased due to 100% online requirement. I was under the impression we were getting more data on our end because of the server/streaming issues with 2020, as well as the decrease in hardware storage... apparently they didn't learn a thing! 

Flickers/stutters seem to go along with time of day and server demand, I did not setup my flight deck only to be forced into flying at certain times of the day when the kiddies are in bed.

With the other sim at 12.2, I don't miss 2020 as much. Still trying to figure out what Msobo brought to the table in 2024 seeing how the interface for moving maps was already setup, other than 3D down to the ground and their flight controls are a bit better what other great advancements did they make that warrant a new sim as opposed to an update?

Personally I believe they made the decision to go gaming and we were/are lucky enough to be taken along for the ride, same as P3D!

One mans paradise is another mans nightmare, time to wake up from this debacle

There are practically innumerable posts on the improvements v24 brought to the table.

And many of them have nothing to do with going "gaming".

My favorite "serious simmer" aspect is the significantly improved physics. There are quite a few others...

Edited April 30, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta
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5 minutes ago, kerosene31 said:

I hate 2024" thread

I would have thought it should be 'I'm not quite ready for 2024 yet' thread.  to hate 2024 is really strange as it is the same sim with some upgrades 🙂

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

It's a 32" 60hz, 1440p screen running at 2560 x 1440.

Good luck with your new system,  I think you'll love it👍

Thanks.  

14 hours ago, Greazer said:

It is getting more clear every day, Msobo are not providing 2020 Sim updates (except for scenery) and they have convinced their Dev partners to do the same.

This includes Inibuilds who have started making sceneries for 2024 only and stopped with 2020 scenery updates 😠

This is despicable, throwing the 2020 simmers under a Bus.  They want to keep charging exorbitant prices for FS2024 and force simmers to buy.  The Steam reviews are as worse as ever.

2020 simmers must fight back, and not buy 2024. These Devs don't have the cards. 2020 simmers do. Without customers they are not sustainable.  And they will Crumble. 

2020 simmers could use the sim optimization updates, but with a good system FS2020 is relatively stable. Plus we have all the addons already.

The latest reports of the 2024 Beta is that it's a Streaming mess. Full of Stutters, Freezes, CTD's, and probably BSOD's too!   The streaming experiment has failed. It will always fail.

There is trouble in paradise folks.
 

Exactly! It's a conspiracy! Greedy Microsoft is plotting to steal our money behind our backs. Sure, they promise to support 2020, but in secret Jorg and Seb trying to fool us all. But luckily, the 20 faithful will crumble these nefarious streaming schemes!

6 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

My favorite "serious simmer" aspect is the significantly improved physics. There are quite a few others...

Absolutely!  I understand anybody frustrated with bugs in 2024, but to not like it for whatever reason is illogical.  Several features are updated over 2020, so the only criteria should be when it is convenient for the individual to switch over to 2024, not hate it - 2020 hasn't been taken away!!

15 hours ago, Greazer said:

It is getting more clear every day, Msobo are not providing 2020 Sim updates (except for scenery) and they have convinced their Dev partners to do the same.

This includes Inibuilds who have started making sceneries for 2024 only and stopped with 2020 scenery updates 😠

This is despicable, throwing the 2020 simmers under a Bus.  They want to keep charging exorbitant prices for FS2024 and force simmers to buy.  The Steam reviews are as worse as ever.

2020 simmers must fight back, and not buy 2024. These Devs don't have the cards. 2020 simmers do. Without customers they are not sustainable.  And they will Crumble. 

2020 simmers could use the sim optimization updates, but with a good system FS2020 is relatively stable. Plus we have all the addons already.

The latest reports of the 2024 Beta is that it's a Streaming mess. Full of Stutters, Freezes, CTD's, and probably BSOD's too!   The streaming experiment has failed. It will always fail.

There is trouble in paradise folks.
 

This is almost a textbook example of Hysteria.

Let me tell you WHY devs and Asobo are moving to v2024:

For the same reason they moved from Prepar3D to MSFS v20.

And your delusional efforts to coerce MS will be just as effective as saving P3D...smh

I don't run the v24 Beta as Production works fine for me (and I'm in the XP Beta - one sim at a time is enough).

I think you should read Bobs post and really take that to heart.

And remember that breathing into a paper bag can really help calm all this hyperventilating. 👍

Edited April 30, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta
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