5 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

Whatever happened to the 772LR?  I am getting vibes that one is not happening!

Oh its going to happen but when? They will sell it cheaper because its by far the least popular variant out of the 773ER, 772ER. Just like the 736 was sold the cheapest in the 737 series.

Edited May 1, 20251 yr by JBDB-MD80

1 hour ago, zachlog said:

PMDG published the release schedule below on 4/12/25.  As of today's release announcement for the B777-200ER, no changes have been made to these time frames.  This is the latest official release date for the B777-200LR.

 - PMDG 777-200ER (16APR-29APR)
- PMDG 777F (~Mid-to-late May)
- PMDG 777-300ER (~Mid-to-late-May)
- PMDG DC-6 (~Early May)
- PMDG 777-200LR (~Late May-to-Early June?)
- PMDG 737NGs (TBA)
 

After I posted here I checked out the PMDG forum and the question was asked there.  No official answer but a lot of hopium that it will in fact be released in May or June.  Just a little concerned that it will likely not be a big seller and these days PMDG seems to shy away from anything they won't make money on.  I just want it to semi complete the series but in reality no regular 300 or regular 200 model either so the series won't really be complete.  Sometimes I think PMDG (Robert) likes to leave out little details in his updates and looks for a reaction.  If nobody mentions something like the 200LR it will be indication to him not to move forward with it.  Just speculation of coarse and not entirely true! 

I don't think the 200LR will be super complicated to complete and I don't think it will be a huge seller but I think it will still pull a small profit for them.  

 

5 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

After I posted here I checked out the PMDG forum and the question was asked there.  No official answer but a lot of hopium that it will in fact be released in May or June.  Just a little concerned that it will likely not be a big seller and these days PMDG seems to shy away from anything they won't make money on.  I just want it to semi complete the series but in reality no regular 300 or regular 200 model either so the series won't really be complete.  Sometimes I think PMDG (Robert) likes to leave out little details in his updates and looks for a reaction.  If nobody mentions something like the 200LR it will be indication to him not to move forward with it.  Just speculation of coarse and not entirely true! 

I don't think the 200LR will be super complicated to complete and I don't think it will be a huge seller but I think it will still pull a small profit for them.  

 

@5:51 - Robert is not sure when it will go into beta testing but their target is late June for release. They have a lot going on before then so it’s by no means firm.

Can you paint the cockpit a different colour? Brown is so 1970's.

 

5 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

After I posted here I checked out the PMDG forum and the question was asked there.  No official answer but a lot of hopium that it will in fact be released in May or June.  Just a little concerned that it will likely not be a big seller and these days PMDG seems to shy away from anything they won't make money on.  I just want it to semi complete the series but in reality no regular 300 or regular 200 model either so the series won't really be complete.  Sometimes I think PMDG (Robert) likes to leave out little details in his updates and looks for a reaction.  If nobody mentions something like the 200LR it will be indication to him not to move forward with it.  Just speculation of coarse and not entirely true! 

I don't think the 200LR will be super complicated to complete and I don't think it will be a huge seller but I think it will still pull a small profit for them.  

 

I suspect that the PMDG 737-600 was a pretty decent seller, so you may be surprised.

1 hour ago, flyingscampi said:

Can you paint the cockpit a different colour? Brown is so 1970's.

 

I am sure within a few days one would be available on Flightsim.to

Clap, clap, clap. I applaud PMDG. They'll have my money. But they wouldn't have got it if they'd made the existing 777 and 737 compatible with 2024 before they'd released this. Shameful stuff. It's legalised extortion...😂

Edited May 1, 20251 yr by jarmstro

8 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Shameful stuff. It's legalised extortion

Not really. It’s called capitalism and free markets.  
-B

It was all planed, first pmdg compatible boeing for 2024. Slam the bucks

12 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

After I posted here I checked out the PMDG forum and the question was asked there.  No official answer but a lot of hopium that it will in fact be released in May or June.  Just a little concerned that it will likely not be a big seller and these days PMDG seems to shy away from anything they won't make money on.  I just want it to semi complete the series but in reality no regular 300 or regular 200 model either so the series won't really be complete.  Sometimes I think PMDG (Robert) likes to leave out little details in his updates and looks for a reaction.  If nobody mentions something like the 200LR it will be indication to him not to move forward with it.  Just speculation of coarse and not entirely true! 

I don't think the 200LR will be super complicated to complete and I don't think it will be a huge seller but I think it will still pull a small profit for them.  

 

PMDG already gave a formal answer so there is not much more to be said.  People tend to continue asking the same question again and again even though it has been answered as best as it can be given all the unknowns (see below).  I also don't think PMDG will be looking for reactions for any product AFTER publishing a release time frame.  If they were to do that and pull a product after publishing an estimated release date, they would get burned at the stake, metaphorically speaking of course.  After spending mega development hours, leveraging this effort for one more product, albeit less revenue, makes good business sense, to me anyway, so I think the B777-200LR will happen.

I think the challenge for PMDG is to see how well the B777-200ER will do in MSFS2024 with a large end user population.  This is the test.  If it does well, i.e., no parade of hot fixes, has high availability (no CTDs), performs well on platforms PMDG products have performed well in MSFS 2020, then the 4/12/25 time frames should not pause any major challenges.  A few days here and there does not make a difference.  However, if on the other hand the initial end user experience feels more like an unofficial, continuation of beta testing, then the dates published on 4/12/25 of future PMDG products in MSFS 2024 will slip and by a lot. 

So I read over on Reddit that the engine sounds that are going to be released with the –200ER are all the same for all three engine variants. And that there won’t be a difference btw the PW, GE and RR sounds for 30 to 60 days when the new engine sounds come out. Is that true that all 3 engine types are sharing the same engine sound when it releases later today?

I saw (heard) different engine sounds in steamers’ videos, so unless they got a different version than the release version I doubt that’s accurate.

One streamer did a run up with each engine type to show the differences.

20 minutes ago, B777ER said:

So I read over on Reddit that the engine sounds that are going to be released with the –200ER are all the same for all three engine variants. And that there won’t be a difference btw the PW, GE and RR sounds for 30 to 60 days when the new engine sounds come out. Is that true that all 3 engine types are sharing the same engine sound when it releases later today?

I re-read the PMDG announcement.  Your specific question is not addressed in the announcement.  I would say the quote "We have run a full pass quality improvement over all sounds EXCEPT the engines- which are being replaced with entirely new recordings over the coming two months." tells me that if engine sounds is of primary interest, wait a couple of months prior to coming to any conclusions on the product meeting your expectations.  For now, focus on everything else.

Edited May 1, 20251 yr by zachlog

32 minutes ago, zachlog said:

PMDG already gave a formal answer so there is not much more to be said.  People tend to continue asking the same question again and again even though it has been answered as best as it can be given all the unknowns (see below).  I also don't think PMDG will be looking for reactions for any product AFTER publishing a release time frame.  If they were to do that and pull a product after publishing an estimated release date, they would get burned at the stake, metaphorically speaking of course.  After spending mega development hours, leveraging this effort for one more product, albeit less revenue, makes good business sense, to me anyway, so I think the B777-200LR will happen.

I think the challenge for PMDG is to see how well the B777-200ER will do in MSFS2024 with a large end user population.  This is the test.  If it does well, i.e., no parade of hot fixes, has high availability (no CTDs), performs well on platforms PMDG products have performed well in MSFS 2020, then the 4/12/25 time frames should not pause any major challenges.  A few days here and there does not make a difference.  However, if on the other hand the initial end user experience feels more like an unofficial, continuation of beta testing, then the dates published on 4/12/25 of future PMDG products in MSFS 2024 will slip and by a lot. 

For me I think this is the real litmus test for 2024 and my ability to start thinking of a move.  If it hits all your points above and the combination of the 777 and the sim are stable, no WASM crashes, CTD's etc then it will be a good gauge of both products stability.  If the 77 has a lot of the same issues as the 350 getting her feet wet in '24 that will also be a key leading indicator for me.  

I'm excited to see how they do together at scale. 

I'm probably not going to buy it. Just going to wait for the 2024 patches for the 300 and freighter.