20 hours ago, St Mawgan said:

You are in the beta and it doesn't work for you? 

If you want to fly today, opt out of the beta! 🤬

Not as easy as that.

For instance, the bad drop in frames rates on approach and landing that were introduced in the SU2 beta cycle are present in the release version of SU2... for many but not all people.

I myself hoped SU3 would cure this particular problem, of which, added telemetry is being used to try and shake it down. The fix is still being worked on, which is great news. 

So,for now, there is no escape from this issue by opting out of the beta, you have to opt out of the sim entirely and use 2020.

People paid £129.99 (depending on which version) some seven months ago, and still we have serious issues with it. I would have hoped they would have been dealing with smaller bugs by now, not major performance, CTD issues, etc. 

I know many simmers aren't seeing these problems but there are a vast number who are.

We all have the right to communicate our experiences, with respect, of course.

I for one hope it will be fixed in the coming days, but for the last seven months, all the excitement has been drained from this sim.

1 hour ago, Bunchy said:

I know many simmers aren't seeing these problems but there are a vast number who are.

Those who don't, belong to two categories:

- people who fly VFR / casually

- Asobo's worshippers: more than once I've been told "it's well known that features X, Y, Z... don't work, just fly without it".

X, Y, Z... being ATC, AI traffic, real traffic, career mode, aircraft lights, contrails, jetways, airport ground services, watermasks, sometimes photogrammetry, sim rate, radio and navigation systems, marketplace items, flight planner, fuel consumption according to FMC calculations, and other...

Yes it's true, apart from all this, if you take a small GA aircraft for a spin around the countryside, the game works well enough. 

51 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

Asobo's worshippers

Oh please... 😒

2 hours ago, Bunchy said:

So,for now, there is no escape from this issue by opting out of the beta, you have to opt out of the sim entirely and use 2020.

For you, for now, looks like it, yes.

For others, not so much.

What to do.   

1 hour ago, Rimshot said:

Oh please... 😒

Did that touch a nerve?

3 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

Those who don't, belong to two categories:

- people who fly VFR / casually

- Asobo's worshippers: more than once I've been told "it's well known that features X, Y, Z... don't work, just fly without it".

X, Y, Z... being ATC, AI traffic, real traffic, career mode, aircraft lights, contrails, jetways, airport ground services, watermasks, sometimes photogrammetry, sim rate, radio and navigation systems, marketplace items, flight planner, fuel consumption according to FMC calculations, and other...

Yes it's true, apart from all this, if you take a small GA aircraft for a spin around the countryside, the game works well enough. 

Summed up beautifully.  

16 hours ago, Rimshot said:

Lol, now that is true pessimism!

Haha, but I was kind of being half-serious. I do not think this game will ever function correctly. In the car world, it would be known as a lemon. See MrFuzzys post a few above. 

Edited June 25, 2025Jun 25 by Ianrivaldosmith

"Yes it's true, apart from all this, if you take a small GA aircraft for a spin around the countryside, the game works well enough. "

That certainly is my experience!

I have not flown anything more complicated than the Flysimware C414 and the Lear 35 and almost always from smaller regional or GA airports.   I see a steady 60 FPS (no Frame Gen & capped in game) as I buzz around while keeping my distance from big cities and airports. Everything at High or Ultra (Building & Clouds) TLOD@ 305  OLOD @ 200.  The scenery is brilliant.  

But if I venture past the approach threshold at a major airport - FPS plummet and scenery becomes a melted mess.

ATC is a mess even for a GA pilot - took off from KSAN VFR with no flight plan headed east.  20-minutes & 40-miles east - Lindbergh tower was calling me to make a Left downwind on  Rwy 27 for the Rwy 09 ILS.  I could not get them to shutup.

I don't need any of the stuff listed as not working so I am still happy with the sim despite the limitations.  

I've been doing a lot of reading and research about DX12 and VRAM management.   Developers were warned that going to DX12 meant they were responsible for memory management unlike prior versions where the GPU software managed memory.  It appears that ASOBO did not appreciate the complications and adverse effect of poor/incorrect memory management.   And, it appears the problems are fundamental to the graphics section and require more than just a few code changes. 

I can sympathize with the developers when I see a steady 60FPS for one flight.  Shut down the system and then restart the Sim with identical flight and settings and see 12 to 16 FPS and it never improves.  I see no difference in memory (system and VRAM) usage between the two runs but I do see huge differences in Frame Time (CPU per frame) so there is some low level factor that comes into play during the sim initialization. 

Each Beta update seems to me to be an improvement and the FPS drop occurs less and less frequently but when it does occur it is as bad and annoying as it was originally. 

 

38 minutes ago, TacomaSailor said:

I've been doing a lot of reading and research about DX12 and VRAM management.   Developers were warned that going to DX12 meant they were responsible for memory management unlike prior versions where the GPU software managed memory.  It appears that ASOBO did not appreciate the complications and adverse effect of poor/incorrect memory management.   And, it appears the problems are fundamental to the graphics section and require more than just a few code changes. 

It's worth noting that DX12 libraries are available to developers since 2015. It's not something that they had to rush implementing, even in MSFS, which was released in August 2020 (and never completed as far as DX12 implementation).

5 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

It's worth noting that DX12 libraries are available to developers since 2015. It's not something that they had to rush implementing, even in MSFS, which was released in August 2020 (and never completed as far as DX12 implementation).

In my experience, Vulkan performs better, not only in XP, but the newly released CIV7. 

7 hours ago, Bunchy said:

No es tan fácil como eso.

Por ejemplo, la mala caída en la velocidad de cuadros durante la aproximación y el aterrizaje que se introdujo en el ciclo beta de SU2 está presente en la versión de lanzamiento de SU2... para muchas personas, pero no para todas.

Yo mismo esperaba que SU3 solucionara este problema en particular, y se está utilizando telemetría adicional para intentar solucionarlo. Todavía se está trabajando en la solución, lo cual es una gran noticia. 

Entonces, por ahora, no hay escapatoria a este problema optando por no participar en la versión beta, debes optar por no participar en la simulación por completo y usar la versión 2020.

Se pagó 129,99 £ (dependiendo de la versión) hace unos siete meses, y aún tenemos serios problemas. Esperaba que ya se hubieran ocupado de errores menores, no de problemas graves de rendimiento, de CTD, etc. 

Sé que muchos Simmers no ven estos problemas, pero hay un gran número que sí los ven.

Todos tenemos derecho a comunicar nuestras experiencias, con respeto, por supuesto.

Por mi parte, espero que se solucione en los próximos días, pero durante los últimos siete meses, este simulador ha perdido toda su emoción.

Asobo's track record over the years is that it took a long time for 2020 to be halfway decent, and even today it still continues to be flawed, so except for the usual bible sellers around here, the rest of us already knew that this was going to be a long time coming.

17 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Did that touch a nerve?

Lol, yes it did. Other than that I agree with @MrFuzzy 👍

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by Rimshot

20 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

Those who don't, belong to two categories:

- people who fly VFR / casually

- Asobo's worshippers: more than once I've been told "it's well known that features X, Y, Z... don't work, just fly without it".

X, Y, Z... being ATC, AI traffic, real traffic, career mode, aircraft lights, contrails, jetways, airport ground services, watermasks, sometimes photogrammetry, sim rate, radio and navigation systems, marketplace items, flight planner, fuel consumption according to FMC calculations, and other...

Yes it's true, apart from all this, if you take a small GA aircraft for a spin around the countryside, the game works well enough. 

Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones. I only fly GA and have had very few problems with 2024. It looks beautiful and great frame rates on a modest system. ( 3080 with frame gen mod) Over 100+ fps and smooth. Even at large airports it's fine. I never run anything in the background except for navigraph and spad. I never imagined a sim could be so real 20 years ago.

With this update SU3 1.5.10.0 my Logitech Multipanel (AP Panel) has stopped working.

Each update the same story: one step forward, two steps backwards!

Anyone else?

Greetings

Maybe it's a perk for being an Asobo worshipper who knows what comes with being in a beta but the latest update is running mostly without a hitch for me. I should note that I don't use FSUIPC. 

Ok so. When I initially created a flight plan, the avionics got it but it did not show up on the map. I restarted the flight and everything functioned properly. All of the regressions from the last build are gone. My plane is able to follow flight plans and heading mode, ATC doesn't respond while my pilot is reading out messages etc.

A constantly evolving sim that has to be in harmony with a myriad third party add-ons will always run into roadblocks that will need to be dealt with. It's been said a thousand times but some of you really need to understand what beta testing entails.