Definitely a glitch in the Matrix … no idea what you are trying to communicate @JETPETER2?

I used to auto race for 14 years in the real world … and I used to participate in iRacing (as do other more professional racers and I interacted with a few online).  All good, sure iRacing is not exactly like real world racing … but so what?  Same goes for flight simulation regardless of platform.

I’m enjoying this aircraft, it seems to be able to fly very slowly but looks like 120-130 is normal for this aircraft.

4 minutes ago, mistolip said:

I was wondering if the Citation X is better than the default CJ4... If so, in what way?

Yes. First qualifier is auto throttle, but there are many other reasons.

-B

Any more disrespectful posts on this topic and there will be butts to kick! 🥷

On 7/29/2025 at 10:56 AM, MattNischan said:

I guess it's my mandated time to chime with just a small video on the systems depth. 😉

I think the Longitude gets a lot of
- It can't be that deep because it's a default plane
- It can't be that deep because it's so easy to just get in and fly it

But, not to derail here! The C750 is already in my hangar, and I'm excited to try it out. Had great fun with the Vision Jet and the Piaggio.

One major feature that kills this argument for the Longitude for me is the refusal to get the HUD working which allows the plane to be fully realized with all it's real world features (yes I've heard the rational some real world models don't use it but it's glaring sitting in the cockpit over your head unclickable and useless😕).  You can't compare a fully fleshed out third party effort with a default model that has no cabin/entry door and a major component in the cockpit still not working (since 2020 is still in play the cabin model needs to be in the older sim as well).  Speaking of the cabin, there's interactive features in the X cabin even the 2024 Longitude doesn't have.  These things makes it not comparable to FlightFX's Citation X.  Since Asobo is going back bringing 2024 aircraft back to 2020 the Longitude needs to be at the top of the list.  This doesn't resolve the HUD issue though as it's not working in both sims.  Perception is everything. You can have an amazing piece of music but if it's not a hit to most it goes unrecognized for the behind the scenes effort in favor of far less technical piece.

Just to be clear WT did amazing work with the default Longitude but it can't compare the X as FlgihtFX gave us everything that aircraft offers in the real world.  Pound for pound that's not the case with the Longitude and what's sad is it's so close.  The more I fly the X the more glaring this is.🤨

Edited August 1, 2025Aug 1 by Dillon

17 hours ago, btacon said:

Yes. First qualifier is auto throttle, but there are many other reasons.

-B

So an autothrottle makes an aircraft better?

 

Considering that I chose to not install the AT on the C750, does that make it worse or equal to the CJ4? 😉

Sorry if this has been covered purchased on 2020 Store last week but still saying I have to buy on 2024 Store do I have to do anything ?

Edited August 1, 2025Aug 1 by Neutrino Flux

35 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Just to be clear WT did amazing work with the default Longitude but it can't compare the X as FlgihtFX gave us everything that aircraft offers in the real world

But FFX didn't "give us everything" that the aircraft offers in the real world. e.g., reverse thrust isn't accurately implemented, and there are lots of small things missing in the FMC--and bigger things like the fact that it doesn't display missed approach procedures. It's not bad for $30, but let's not pretend...

1 hour ago, chapstick said:

But FFX didn't "give us everything" that the aircraft offers in the real world. e.g., reverse thrust isn't accurately implemented, and there are lots of small things missing in the FMC--and bigger things like the fact that it doesn't display missed approach procedures. It's not bad for $30, but let's not pretend...

Fare, but this is the first iteration of the add-on/aircraft without any updates (v1.0).  The Longitude by contrast has been available for how long now in both sims not counting all the updates over the years?🤨

Edited August 1, 2025Aug 1 by Dillon

1 hour ago, Dillon said:

....Since Asobo is going back bringing 2024 aircraft back to 2020 the Longitude needs to be at the top of the list.....

Maybe IniBuilds could learn a lesson from Asobo here, and bring MSFS 2024 exclusive airports back to MSFS 2020? Sorry, but I had to say it.

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

So an autothrottle makes an aircraft better?

 

Considering that I chose to not install the AT on the C750, does that make it worse or equal to the CJ4? 😉

Yes, IMO AT is superior for a high speed jet such as this.  As to your question that is for you to decide.  Considering IRL AT is only available as an aftermarket solution, not a default feature installed by Textron, one could say that there is a demand for AT IRW ops, but not a requirement.  YMMV. TANSTAAFL

-B

Edited August 1, 2025Aug 1 by btacon

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

So an autothrottle makes an aircraft better?

Also flown it both ways. Both are great depending on your mood.  

 

The CJ4 is free. Nothing stopping anybody from flying it.

If your looking for another Bizjet and are willing to spend a little money the C750 is great.

I was very much on the fence on the C750, but its really good.

My personal opinion is if you like the CJ4, your going the love the C750.

After that, it becomes personal choice.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Neutrino Flux said:

Sorry if this has been covered purchased on 2020 Store last week but still saying I have to buy on 2024 Store do I have to do anything ?

Here is the answer from the FlightFX Discord.  It should happen automatically but like much of Asobo implementations it can fail for no apparent reason. Since it is a manual workaround from FlightFX it won’t happen instantly but if you fill out the form it will happen.

-B

Marketplace FAQs

 

Q: If I buy in 2020, will I immediately receive the aircraft in 2024?

A: There’s a transfer period between sim versions.

 

Tip: Purchase the aircraft in the version you intend to fly immediately.

 

Q: If I buy in 2024, will I immediately receive the aircraft in 2020?

A: Same answer—you must buy in the version you plan to use straight away.

 

Q: If I buy in one sim version, will I eventually get it in the other?

A: Yes, but see the timing notes above.

-# If it has been more than 24 hours and you are still having issues, please fill out this form https://forms.gle/LoRy3wST2Hgy6vbS7

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How well does the X perform compared to for instance the Longitude? I gave the latter a try today but performance was choppy... The Vision Jet (which is the only plane I fly) performs very well. I wonder if the X will also give me choppy fps...

3 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Also flown it both ways. Both are great depending on your mood.  

 

The CJ4 is free. Nothing stopping anybody from flying it.

If your looking for another Bizjet and are willing to spend a little money the C750 is great.

I was very much on the fence on the C750, but its really good.

My personal opinion is if you like the CJ4, your going the love the C750.

After that, it becomes personal choice.

Absolutely this, same for the Longitude. All three are very good.

Realistically for me the only major difference in terms of quality is the cabin interior and the tablet (FS2020). The main difference is in terms of the aircraft itself. M0.92 and getting up above FL450 is great, even if BATC doesn't work (it's wrong above FL410 and loses it if you ask for above FL450).

All that said, I keep a record of all of my flights, and in the 1800 flights I have logged it is extremely rare for me to fly the same aircraft twice in a row. My last 12 flights have been in the C750.

As for Autothrottle, it's nice to have, especially in cruise. Aircraft also works just as well without, or with it turned off.

 

G

2 hours ago, mistolip said:

How well does the X perform compared to for instance the Longitude? I gave the latter a try today but performance was choppy... The Vision Jet (which is the only plane I fly) performs very well. I wonder if the X will also give me choppy fps...

I also noticed that under some conditions the performance on teh Longitude can be subpar. Which is odd for a default aircraft.

The Ciation X performs better.