1 minute ago, Farlis said:

FSHUD does not come with its own traffic. It either uses the live traffic, or it can use any AIG Package you have installed to populate the skies.

Yes, I have AIG packages installed that I use together with PSXT. PSXT unfortunately, does not cooperate with ATC programs.

1 hour ago, asnamara said:

They need to get back to basics instead of focusing on traffic injection and the other gimmicks.

What 'gimmicks' does BATC have?

59 minutes ago, Farlis said:

FSHUD does not come with its own traffic. It either uses the live traffic, or it can use any AIG Package you have installed to populate the skies.

Or FSLTL and its live traffic... Beyond ATC is live schedules like a week old with IFR Traffic.

 

18 minutes ago, JYW said:

What 'gimmicks' does BATC have?

What "Gimmicks" on either ? Regardless, I'm sure what one might find as Gimmick, maybe another may find useful ?

I had SI, BATC and FSHUD, plus I have used FSLTL the most. Of all of them, FSHUD is the one i use now. The traffic is just more believable and it isn’t overly complicated. 

Owner of BATC and FSHUD preferring the latter.

Thanks you for this detailed comparison, I too was considering SI, after using BATC since release and SI curiosity kept re-surfacing. However, the subscription model (and ongoing cost), in my opinion just didn't justify an additional cost to my Flight Simming. After your review I will now stick with BATC, they continue upgrading the product and i OWN it!

Many thanks

Steve

Thanks to the OP for the review.

I'm happy with BATC and FSLTL models, but maybe someone with RW experience can answer this question - is it usual for ATC to ignore altitude restrictions in the SID?

When you take-off, BATC always gives you an altitude clearance above any restrictions in the SID, so you can't use VNAV unless you remove altitude restrictions from the flight plan. Then you'll get clearance to your cruise altitude.

40 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

Thanks to the OP for the review.

I'm happy with BATC and FSLTL models, but maybe someone with RW experience can answer this question - is it usual for ATC to ignore altitude restrictions in the SID?

When you take-off, BATC always gives you an altitude clearance above any restrictions in the SID, so you can't use VNAV unless you remove altitude restrictions from the flight plan. Then you'll get clearance to your cruise altitude.

I believe IRL ATC can clear you to do whatever is needed dependant upon traffic. if you don't hear otherwise you are expected to follow the chart. However, ATC can see what the traffic situation is further afield and if possible will clear you to higher (or lower) if and when possible.

FSHud: ok voices, nice ingame panel, airport configuration manager (in Beta, huge plus), nice that traffic injection does NOT need an active SimBrief flightplan, nice that it can capture and control traffic injected by other tools such as AIG TC. Huge immersion killer: the AI planes make a 180° turn on spot when leaving the gate, no pushback, nothing...

BATC: better voices than FSHud, regional accents can be nice immersion factor (or totally whacko), AI traffic injection only works with an active SimBrief flightplan, can use both AIG and FSLTL models at the same time (huge plus), has active pushback from the gates (huge plus). 

Both above sadly lack the jetway connection, this you only get with AI traffic injected but then controlled by MSFS2024 itself (like AIG TC). Hope they will add this feature in future (if possible at all). 

Means I also use both. If I just fly around without need of a flightplan, FSHud is the one to go to have living skies. If I start directly with an already finished SimBrief flightplan, I usually use BATC. Cant really decide which one I like better, as the positive and negative aspects are almost fully mutual exclusive...

Good review. Pretty much agree with your assessments. 

As for FSHud and BATC.

I have gone back and forth. Both keep updating their products and they both get better with time.

At this moment I prefer BATC. but if you told me FsHud is better for such and such reason, it would be hard to disagree.

I have all 3, but haven't tried FSHud for many months, plus - you have to pay for 2024 upgrade.

SI feels more flexible and more immersive to me. Since it uses LLM extensively, it's learning and it's not rigid and predictable. Last weekend I request a published HOLD, since I needed more time for descend, and it was given to me. There are new options is settings, such as flying full STAR, or ATC may simply pick you up earlier and start vectoring. Voice are the best, a lot of local ascents.  

New checklists are pretty much reminiscent of FS2Crew. RAAS is coming as well. Co-Pilot communications and various requests, lot of PA actions. Yes, SI is still WIP, as many other complex products.

Traffic-speaking, I use SI+PSXT most of the time. Nothing beats PSXT (don't even try to argue :-)), but BATC+AIG has better traffic injection logic IMO between BATC, FSHUD and SI itself/

 

14 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

I have all 3, but haven't tried FSHud for many months, plus - you have to pay for 2024 upgrade.

SI feels more flexible and more immersive to me. Since it uses LLM extensively, it's learning and it's not rigid and predictable. Last weekend I request a published HOLD, since I needed more time for descend, and it was given to me. There are new options is settings, such as flying full STAR, or ATC may simply pick you up earlier and start vectoring. Voice are the best, a lot of local ascents.  

It’s really not possible to compare these as SI is an expensive on going subscription while the others are a one time cost.
 

Naturally they cannot do a call to OpenAI every time - that’s what you’re paying for with SI, and those who find the $20/month acceptable pay for this exact feature - the ability to basically talk to ChatGPT in the cloud. This will always be more powerful than a local LLM. 
 

 

Edited January 14Jan 14 by JonathanC

10 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

I have all 3, but haven't tried FSHud for many months, plus - you have to pay for 2024 upgrade.

Just for clarity, the 2024 upgrade charge was only for those of us who purchased (and presumably enjoyed using) FSHud well before 2024 was released. Nowadays purchasers of FSHud pay one price and are able to use it on 2020, 2024, and P3D.