So i shelled out my 140 last night and bought this thing........... so mixed feeling, quality of layout, texture top notch, flight model seems to be on mark, however stability of product is not as good i hoped to be, out of 5 test flights crashed 3, and not sure if there is memory leak, or what, tuned stuff even to manual that they provided and still crashed.  below recap of scenarios that caused crash

 

crash one was odd, after first install started p3d went to kden (fligthbeam i think) scenery was half loaded so was like odd... exited to exterior to see more, p3d crashed, reload same setup with 777 all solid and in cockpit.

 

restarted p3d same setup with fsl 320 all loaded fine and great frames.  so happy.... did quick take off and land, seems to be solid.

 

crash two load up p3d at kjac (orbx) all loaded up scenery seems fine nothing missing, changed view outside and started walking outside, switched views few times, boom p3d died 

 

crash three, default scenario and just going through menu opetions and settings, and then got distracted and left running sim and plane on tarmac at the setting screen under units section and ran for looks like several hours, come back and hear my pc beeping and tried to figure out what but isolated to plane, no idea why, clicking in FMC yelled nothing so locked up,  switched view again and boom p3d crash.

 

other two flight seem to go through ok.  so will play more with it today and see how it goes.

 

Which version of P3D are you using?  In P3D v3.4 HF2 I'm experiencing very unstable behaviour regardless of addon.  I've rolled back to v3.3 now and so far so good.. there are many posts regarding crashes and VAS management in the P3D forums, although no one can be sure of root cause, I believe it's currently recognised and under investigation.  FSLabs themselves did draw attention to this in their own forum and it was a reason for delayed release.  Incidentally, I've had trouble completing long haul flights in the PMDG 777 in P3D v3.4 HF2, again (and I don't know for certain) my perception is that this is a platform issue rather than aircraft addon issue.  I am hoping the later P3D releases go someway to fixing this problem.

 

Perhaps use P3D v3.3?

 

Cheers

Craig

 

 

Let me make one closing remark so I am not open to misinterpretation.  Do I think the 777, 737 or A320 are over priced?  Categorically... No.. I do not think they are over priced.  

 

You are right, but not for the reasons stated, but simply the economic one.  Let's take a hypothetical price for PMDG 777, 747, A320 of say $10,000 each.  I would guess they may sell a handful of licenses....I  know its pretty shocking that 4 or 5 people would pay this.  As you drop the price you get more sales.  Ay $1000 you may sell a few hundred.  When Lefteris claims on the FSL forums that the P3D release was their best sales product of all time you pretty much have to conclude that the price is right (even though none of us really like it and many think it is overpriced).

 

Some of you may remember when PMDG released the 747 v1 many years ago that the price was I think $69,99.  At that time it was at least 50% higher than anything else that had ever been released and it was a shock for everyone.  

You are right, but not for the reasons stated, but simply the economic one.  Let's take a hypothetical price for PMDG 777, 747, A320 of say $10,000 each.  I would guess they may sell a handful of licenses....I  know its pretty shocking that 4 or 5 people would pay this.  As you drop the price you get more sales.  Ay $1000 you may sell a few hundred.  When Lefteris claims on the FSL forums that the P3D release was their best sales product of all time you pretty much have to conclude that the price is right (even though none of us really like it and many think it is overpriced).

 

Some of you may remember when PMDG released the 747 v1 many years ago that the price was I think $69,99.  At that time it was at least 50% higher than anything else that had ever been released and it was a shock for everyone.  

The problem with this is once u go this route, you will start seeing planes like carenado jump into that price range soon (they are already at 40 dollar mark, with planes that half functional, but look good really only worth 19.99) as hey why not we are just as good as the rest, and then bigger guys like pmdg will say well we invest more time/money start going 200+ route and u get the idea of prices starting to inflate as everyone thinks their product is the shiznitz

 

personally i think anything over 120 bucks should be SOLID performer out of the box, no things like go, well wait till path 2, 3 to get up and running solid.  which is why i like pdmg , they make u wait but when they release, product is operational 99% and few other quirks dont impact overall expirience.

 

also in regards of "When Lefteris claims on the FSL forums that the P3D release was their best sales product of all time you pretty much have to conclude that the price is right (even though none of us really like it and many think it is overpriced)."  how do we know what their expectation was, perhaps it was low to start off as they were like well 140 bucks maybe we will sell 10 copies and they sold 11, and that could be considered better than expected   see kinda relative thing..

 

now said that i am saddened that spending this amount yelled not to stellar of flights i expected and now it sounds like i might have to downgrade to 3.3 to make it working right.  again ill defend my position of spending the money but truth is if i had to do it again, prolly wont

So I have to admit I'm starting to turn toward wanting to buy this. I should have known resistance was futile... stupid me and my need to always have the latest shiny thing!!

 

One thing I'm not sure on, are people successfully using this while also using AI traffic at a reasonable level? It seems like a lot of people that are having the best success are (of course) not using ai traffic. I keep mine at a reasonable level, capped to 100 aircraft using fsuipc, but I wouldn't be willing to go much lower than that. I have a graphics preset for resource intensive aircraft/ airport where most sliders are middle or even one left of middle in some cases, with ai capped at 100 aircraft, and that runs anything from PMDG quite well, trying to get some assurance I'm in the right neighbourhood of settings to be able to run this well before forking out CDN$185.

 

I using an i7 7700k oc to 5ghz, so it doesn't get much faster than that right now...more concerned about vas than fps

So I have to admit I'm starting to turn toward wanting to buy this. I should have known resistance was futile... stupid me and my need to always have the latest shiny thing!!

 

One thing I'm not sure on, are people successfully using this while also using AI traffic at a reasonable level? It seems like a lot of people that are having the best success are (of course) not using ai traffic. I keep mine at a reasonable level, capped to 100 aircraft using fsuipc, but I wouldn't be willing to go much lower than that. I have a graphics preset for resource intensive aircraft/ airport where most sliders are middle or even one left of middle in some cases, with ai capped at 100 aircraft, and that runs anything from PMDG quite well, trying to get some assurance I'm in the right neighbourhood of settings to be able to run this well before forking out CDN$185.

 

I using an i7 7700k oc to 5ghz, so it doesn't get much faster than that right now...more concerned about vas than fps

 

Its quite simple: the current v93 version eats about 200mb more VAS than the PMDGs. If your current setup/config produces a reasonable amount of VAS when flying the PMDG's in and out of major airports, you shouldnt be worried about OOMs. And P3D hotfix 2 manages VAS quite well as soon as it goes into critical regions. I always have around 600mb of VAS left, during all phases of a flight. Doesnt sound like much but its enough as long as it reamains steady.

 

I ran it with up to 50 AI planes on ground, VAS was nearly the same as with 20

 

 

BTW, i didnt even try to resist

It's not that bad performance-wise, I've got traffic on in FSX-SE (50 percent airliners, about 3 or 4 percent GA, 30 percent road traffic and some ships at sea) cos I'd don't want FS to look like I've made it to the airport in the Zombie apocalypse and nicked an airliner. The FSL 'Bus, is only a little big hungrier resource-wise than the PMDG 737-NG, so if you can run that, or something similar, you'll be able to have traffic.

So I have to admit I'm starting to turn toward wanting to buy this. I should have known resistance was futile... stupid me and my need to always have the latest shiny thing!!

 

One thing I'm not sure on, are people successfully using this while also using AI traffic at a reasonable level? It seems like a lot of people that are having the best success are (of course) not using ai traffic. I keep mine at a reasonable level, capped to 100 aircraft using fsuipc, but I wouldn't be willing to go much lower than that. I have a graphics preset for resource intensive aircraft/ airport where most sliders are middle or even one left of middle in some cases, with ai capped at 100 aircraft, and that runs anything from PMDG quite well, trying to get some assurance I'm in the right neighbourhood of settings to be able to run this well before forking out CDN$185.

 

I using an i7 7700k oc to 5ghz, so it doesn't get much faster than that right now...more concerned about vas than fps

 

Here you go.  This is 10% slider of MyTrafficProfessional.  

 

UK2000 EGLL - FPS 25 (all from the VC Captains main view)

 

 

Fly Tampa EKCH - FPS 32

 

 

Flightbeam KSFO HD - FPS 24

Thanks guys!

 

 

What I would say in reply is compare the price for the 777 base package from PMDG for P3D which is $135. This product was released I believe around 2013. For this you get an exceptional airliner, 1 engine type, the 200LR and F air frames which are very similar.

 

 

you  forgot to add  that you also  get the  fcoms  as  well with the 737  and  t7 so  the price  they charge  is  quite  reasonable

http://www.smartcockpit.com/plane/AIRBUS/A320.html

FSUIPC Traffic Limiter is a great help with the A320.

 

You can set 25% of MT6 and then limit @ 40 AIs through FSUIPC: many aircrafts around before takeoff, but a small impact on performance.

 

Also you have to avoid the use of slew or airport change with the A320 after powerup and before takeoff, because FMGC's seem to be lost (think you are about to land).

you  forgot to add  that you also  get the  fcoms  as  well with the 737  and  t7 so  the price  they charge  is  quite  reasonable

 

I don't understand where this comes from.. when I said..

"Do I think the 777, 737 or A320 are over priced?  Categorically... No.. I do not think they are over priced.  In fact I would even go as far to say they are probably priced quite modestly, in all cases."

 

That statement includes the PMDG pricing.  At what point have I said I think PMDG pricing is 'unreasonable', the answer is never.  In fact I've said completely the opposite, I've said it's 'modest' on all counts.. which is the polar opposite.  So what you've done here is quote me partially, make it sound like I disagree with you, when in fact if you read the entire post, it's absolutely obvious to anyone you're simply repeating a sentiment I already share.

 

I respectfully request you don't quote me out of context or partially, please take the time to read and understand the point of my entire post before quoting parts of it that could easily be open to misinterpretation.

 

So, just for clarity sake.. so there is no room for error.. I am saying.. PMDG and FSLabs pricing is modest in my view, that means I think it's exceptional value... But what I don't agree with, is if someone with a large public audience chooses to publicly state that the A320X is 'jaw dropping' in price, then they should be prepared to report the same view in respect of PMDG product pricing, but they don't, why?  Because of bias.. and it's this bias I disagree with.. They won't call out PMDG pricing.. why?  Because they have a relationship with the company.. so on one side they represent pricing as 'jaw dropping'.. on the other.. (for their friend) they say nothing.. this approach in my opinion shows a lack of integrity.. better to say nothing at all.

 

Regards

 

Craig

I too succumbed to the price of the A320.

Going through the manuals, working my way slowly in the sim, I can see the appeal...

 

 

FSUIPC Traffic Limiter is a great help with the A320.  You can set 25% of MT6 and then limit @ 40 AIs through FSUIPC: many aircrafts around before takeoff, but a small impact on performance.

Indeed, Pete has done a great job there. I use "home-cooked" AI with several hundred aircraft models/paints and close to 200 individual airline .bgls. I actually put the P3D Traffic slider at 100% to ensure that I get as much variation as possible and then limit the number through FSUIPC and I have more than 1Gb of VAS available when loading the A320-X at Aerosoft EGLL stand 502 on a Monday morning at 0800z.

Just got it 2 days ago and so far I'm having mixed feelings.

 

As far as the systems are concerned - it's a bomb.  Performance wise (and I'm not even talking about VAS) there are still plenty of small glitches and compatibility issues, from simple activation (it takes 60 seconds!!!) to FPS performance on cruise, that you'd need to fix yourself. AOC Service for non-VATSIM/IVAO users should have to have "Disable" option.

 

To sum up. $150 plane should work flawlessly out-of-the-box like PMDG birdies. Hence, I assume that I just invested into the bright future of this product as refunds aren't available :-)