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7 minutes ago, CaptKornDog said:

Sure, speaking in generalities since I don’t have the 350 yet (waiting for feedback from some 350 drivers I know).  For me, yes.  Especially in-depth manuals, written stand-alone tutorials, and charts for an in-depth aircraft.  Certainly, there are OEM copyright considerations but thorough documentation for a complex add-on is usually my first stop and speaks to the robustness of the product.

Fair enough.  But it still proves the point I was trying to empathize with the dev on, they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.  For you, it would be preferred to wait.  For others, they'd have chewed the dev a new one if they knew they were just waiting for documentation.  Either way, the dev loses with someone.

Anyway, I think we're beating a dead horse here I think.  🙂

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6 hours ago, Milviz said:

Boggles the mind that someone (see above) thinks that 80$ is worth spending a HUGE amount of time on doing a manual that NO ONE WILL READ.... Instead, they will ask us to PLEASE do videos cause those are easier to understand...  Can't win.  Really. Cannot win.

We will do the videos because they are easier to do and understand. As far as Chuck's Guides are concerned, we would PAY him to do said videos. We're not THAT cheap.

 

I just don't understand all the fuss with not having a full, detailed manual with this plane at the release of this plane. It is so easy to look up the information on line. I'm so glad you went ahead and released the plane instead of holding on to it until you could get one made for it. Instead, we have a beautiful, very fly-able airplane that we can enjoy, just before Christmas. I, for one, would certainly prefer to get the plane now, without a manual, then to wait who knows how long for it with a complete manual. Within minutes after downloading it, I had it installed and flying it, with a manual I found on line that took me only a few more minutes to find. Not that difficult. And even without the manual, this plane is WELL worth the price. Nowhere else will you find a more detailed Proline21 in any sim than you have here. It is a simulation in itself. Even though I am very familiar with the KingAir, I really enjoy the videos. They are well done and easy to understand. It seems I'm one of a few people who is totally enjoying all the effort you have put in to this wonderful aircraft. And I appreciate even more just how hard you are trying to accommodate everyone. I truly hope you had an enjoyable and much deserved break during the holidays without worrying too much about so much of the negativity I've seen here in forums. I couldn't be more happy with this release and am enjoying flying it everyday. Thank You, Milviz, from the bottom of my heart, for another outstanding product. I'm really looking forward to you next release.

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7 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Addon developers release an $80 addon, then think a few hastily put together YT-videos will substitute for a manual, instead hoping that the community will step in and do the job that is theirs to begin with.

Boggles the mind.

 

I smell a business opportunity here. Write a manual. Sell it online as an add-on to an add-on.  Make a gazillion dollars! 🤗

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44 minutes ago, monica6211 said:

I just don't understand all the fuss with not having a full, detailed manual with this plane at the release of this plane. It is so easy to look up the information on line. I'm so glad you went ahead and released the plane instead of holding on to it until you could get one made for it. Instead, we have a beautiful, very fly-able airplane that we can enjoy, just before Christmas. I, for one, would certainly prefer to get the plane now, without a manual, then to wait who knows how long for it with a complete manual. Within minutes after downloading it, I had it installed and flying it, with a manual I found on line that took me only a few more minutes to find. Not that difficult. And even without the manual, this plane is WELL worth the price. Nowhere else will you find a more detailed Proline21 in any sim than you have here. It is a simulation in itself. Even though I am very familiar with the KingAir, I really enjoy the videos. They are well done and easy to understand. It seems I'm one of a few people who is totally enjoying all the effort you have put in to this wonderful aircraft. And I appreciate even more just how hard you are trying to accommodate everyone. I truly hope you had an enjoyable and much deserved break during the holidays without worrying too much about so much of the negativity I've seen here in forums. I couldn't be more happy with this release and am enjoying flying it everyday. Thank You, Milviz, from the bottom of my heart, for another outstanding product. I'm really looking forward to you next release.

excellent post - answers all my questions.  Super excited to buy this addon soon. 

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3 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

So, asking for a manual to study this aircraft's systems and procedures, which are advertised as being beyond study-level, is me being entitled???????

Agree and I’m trying to think of a quality add-on that HASN'T included a well put together manual?
That is usually the first question asked after Installation - what folder is the manual in?
And I’m not sure why it would be damned if you do since I know zero people who don’t want a manual included with a ‘Study level’ add-on. 
 

Perhaps just rushed to get it out before MS2020 is released which will spell the end of all other sims anyways. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Doug47 said:

Perhaps just rushed to get it out before MS2020 is released which will spell the end of all other sims anyways. 

Is it "Study Level" I Ask cause I don't know?

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1 minute ago, Adrian123 said:

Is it "Study Level" I Ask cause I don't know?

The master caution and warning lights don’t work half the time, but sure, this is a super-duper-ultra-beyond-study-level-unprecedented-masterpiece 


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10 hours ago, Milviz said:

There are now several videos available on our YT channel.  There will be no further documentation.  Only videos.

Wow that’s very very disappointing for the cost of the product. Even cheap products come with better documentation and you guys have had 5 years to prepare it..... Hardly better than study level if you can’t do the study.....

somebody suggested looking it up online, I would gladly accept links to the information that is sorely missing.

Your product is nice albeit with some bugs to iron out but an $80USD is not cheap and the level of documentation is disgraceful to be honest....

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This situation is really weird. A manual doesn’t have to be hundreds of pages long. 
I don’t understand why a dev would create such a quality and complex aircraft for so long and not be eager to describe all about it in a manual. 

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19 minutes ago, Doug47 said:

Perhaps just rushed to get it out before MS2020 is released which will spell the end of all other sims anyways.

Nonsense!  Just more distraction.

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1 hour ago, Doug47 said:

Perhaps just rushed to get it out before MS2020 is released which will spell the end of all other sims anyways. 

Oh, I did not know that! Would you please post where you see that on the X-pain and Prepar3d web sites or post the text or email from those Dev's saying that their programs will not work or will not be available upon release of the new MS product. And here sits stupid me thinking we would still have the option to choose which one we wanted to use.

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All right, let's not go there.  Back to topic, please...the B350i.

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I watch YouTube videos but for me, they aren’t as helpful when I’m at my computer and in the cockpit. I like to read docs on my iPad as I’m flying more than playing a video.... then pausing, playing, pausing etc etc. 

Documentation doesn’t have to rival “War and Peace” in length. But I expect something more than a checklist, please. I can wait a bit.

In the meantime, I hope to not read more petty and nasty messages about this plane. It’s the holiday season... be happy!

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11 hours ago, odourboy said:

I smell a business opportunity here. Write a manual. Sell it online as an add-on to an add-on.  Make a gazillion dollars! 🤗

Since this got brought up, it’ll help bring some perspective. The various free PL-21 manuals to be found online are often missing quite a bit of info. We bought the full manuals from RC for, wait for it (drumroll), a whopping $850 (PL-21) and $650 (FMS) a piece.

9 hours ago, Karelpatch said:

This situation is really weird. A manual doesn’t have to be hundreds of pages long. 
I don’t understand why a dev would create such a quality and complex aircraft for so long and not be eager to describe all about it in a manual. 

 

13 minutes ago, charliewards said:

Documentation doesn’t have to rival “War and Peace” in length. But I expect something more than a checklist, please. I can wait a bit.

In the meantime, I hope to not read more petty and nasty messages about this plane. It’s the holiday season... be happy!

And this brings me to the next point as to why said manuals are so expensive. There is so much going on in these systems that the real manuals are indeed hundreds of pages long. Someone had to be paid to write them in the first place. And given the magnitude, it definitely wasn’t a single person and it didn’t take them just a week.

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No manual, very disappointing. I stopped buying the Carenado products because of poor documentation. I purchased this plane after the performance concerns I had was was confirmed not to be a problem by members on the forum and with the understanding that documentation will follow. Sometimes you just want to verify something while flying and to do that using videos is not practical at all, particularly with the unique FMS on the 350i.

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