17 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

SU10 beta has broken Rex WeatherForce, so I am currently using Live Weather.  I'm always complaining about only seeing Cumulus in Live weather, but I was pleasantly surprised to see this cloudscape on my most recent flight.  High thin layer of cirrus with broken cumulus below, itself mixed with a stratus layer. in the distance the low cumulus layer disappeared under a thick layer of stratus.

I still feel RexWeatherForce does a better job of depicting the sky, but progress is being made in Live Weather.

 

The holy grail of weather and clouds in flight simulation is not only to provide all the various types of clouds, but that the clouds and the weather in the  simulator match real life weather.  While people loved the cloud types and variation of clouds in MSFS on release, the live weather in MSFS was not usable on VATSIM because it wasn’t accurate.

Hence, the community asked Asobo to have live weather follow METAR, but when Asobo did this, there was less cloud variation.

I have always said, give Asobo a few years to make live weather better, before we push them to open the weather API to 3rd party developers. I am guessing Microsoft/Asobo don’t want to open the live weather to 3rd party developers, because the weather team would then be split between making live weather better, and working on the weather API for 3rd party developers.  If the weather team had to work on the API to open live weather to 3rd party developers, this would drastically slow their progress on making live weather better.  Better to focus on one task and make a lot of progress on it, than have your attention split on two tasks and make much less progress on the two tasks.

So IMO, we should give Asobo a few years to see how good they can make live weather. 

 

Edited July 14, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

48 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

The holy grail of weather and clouds in flight simulation is not only to provide all the various types of clouds, but that the clouds and the weather in the  simulator match real life weather.  While people loved the cloud types and variation of clouds in MSFS on release, the live weather in MSFS was not usable on VATSIM because it wasn’t accurate.

Hence, the community asked Asobo to have live weather follow METAR, but when Asobo did this, there was less cloud variation.

I have always said, give Asobo a few years to make live weather better, before we push them to open the weather API to 3rd party developers. I am guessing Microsoft/Asobo don’t want to open the live weather to 3rd party developers, because the weather team would then be split between making live weather better, and working on the weather API for 3rd party developers.  If the weather team had to work on the API to open live weather to 3rd party developers, this would drastically slow their progress on making live weather better.  Better to focus on one task and make a lot of progress on it, than have your attention split on two tasks and make much less progress on the two tasks.

So IMO, we should give Asobo a few years to see how good they can make live weather. 

 

Very well said, as usual, @abrams

10 hours ago, snwboardn said:

Is the ATC going out mid flight still happening? Where you can only hear your co-pilot do readbacks

I’m wondering the same.  That is my biggest ATC issue right now.

10 minutes ago, regis9 said:

I’m wondering the same.  That is my biggest ATC issue right now.

It does 

10 minutes ago, regis9 said:

I’m wondering the same.  That is my biggest ATC issue right now.

The flights I did so far in beta 10, ATC working well. About 6 flights.

14 minutes ago, regis9 said:

I’m wondering the same.  That is my biggest ATC issue right now.

I never had this happen and use ATC in lots of flights.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

The holy grail of weather and clouds in flight simulation is not only to provide all the various types of clouds, but that the clouds and the weather in the  simulator match real life weather.  While people loved the cloud types and variation of clouds in MSFS on release, the live weather in MSFS was not usable on VATSIM because it wasn’t accurate.

Hence, the community asked Asobo to have live weather follow METAR, but when Asobo did this, there was less cloud variation.

I have always said, give Asobo a few years to make live weather better, before we push them to open the weather API to 3rd party developers. I am guessing Microsoft/Asobo don’t want to open the live weather to 3rd party developers, because the weather team would then be split between making live weather better, and working on the weather API for 3rd party developers.  If the weather team had to work on the API to open live weather to 3rd party developers, this would drastically slow their progress on making live weather better.  Better to focus on one task and make a lot of progress on it, than have your attention split on two tasks and make much less progress on the two tasks.

So IMO, we should give Asobo a few years to see how good they can make live weather. 

 

I have to agree, after almost 2 years with MFS... and based on how I've been experiencing the various developments we got along the WUs and SUs.

I find the default weather already very good / plausible, and even if it has it's quirks it's being fine tuned.

Just now with SU10 beta we got new blend between ( local ) METAR data and forecast data based on the Meteoblue feeds. 

In one of the next updates we will get further developments on convective energy, and weather for soaring... 

It's all moving, actually a LOT faster than I expected.

On the whole the SU10 has been a success thus far, unfortunately a regression with the Eye Exposure/Contrast that they added for VR (again how this makes it through internal testing I'll never know!) but hopefully they'll tweak this in the next beta update/before public release....but history shows us that VR regressions don't get fully fixed - Don't let me down this time Asobo!

I've got similar stutters in this beta that I had in SU9 so I need to investigate my setup, could be a setting or something on my PC, maybe a mod causing them (already discovered Bijans Trees mod causes FPS loss so parked that for now). Other than that the beta has been relatively smooth throughout aside the DX12 mushrooms experience (!), DLSS needs more work (blurred Garmin screens) also during this beta, if they fix that I'll give it another go.

So far so good overall, looking forward to the first beta patch.

Edited July 15, 20223 yr by MarcG

12 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

The holy grail of weather and clouds in flight simulation is not only to provide all the various types of clouds, but that the clouds and the weather in the  simulator match real life weather.  While people loved the cloud types and variation of clouds in MSFS on release, the live weather in MSFS was not usable on VATSIM because it wasn’t accurate.

Hence, the community asked Asobo to have live weather follow METAR, but when Asobo did this, there was less cloud variation.

I have always said, give Asobo a few years to make live weather better, before we push them to open the weather API to 3rd party developers. I am guessing Microsoft/Asobo don’t want to open the live weather to 3rd party developers, because the weather team would then be split between making live weather better, and working on the weather API for 3rd party developers.  If the weather team had to work on the API to open live weather to 3rd party developers, this would drastically slow their progress on making live weather better.  Better to focus on one task and make a lot of progress on it, than have your attention split on two tasks and make much less progress on the two tasks.

So IMO, we should give Asobo a few years to see how good they can make live weather. 

 

So if they open weather to 3PD like HiFi with decades of experience and a proven track record it will slow down progress...yep, makes perfect sense...

4 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

So if they open weather to 3PD like HiFi with decades of experience and a proven track record it will slow down progress...yep, makes perfect sense...

Yeah, I don't think you read my quote right.

The weather team can work on one task full time, or they can work on two tasks part time.  You get more work done and more progress done on one task full time, than splitting your time between two tasks.

This applies to everyone, you included.  If you work on two tasks, you get half the the work done on both tasks, as opposed to working full time on one task.  It's not rocket science, it's a pretty simple concept 🤣

2 hours ago, MarcG said:

DLSS needs more work (blurred Garmin screens) also during this beta, if they fix that I'll give it another go.

Yes, if they could exclude the Garmin screens from DLSS blurring somehow, it would be perfect.  Not sure it is technically feasible though.

Saying that, at 4k with DLSS on quality, I have kind of gotten used to it.  I have moved my seat position forward slightly in some aircraft, which has helped.
I would prefer to keep the performance, cooler PC, and with the quiet fans now on my 3080Ti.  With the price of electricity now, I reckon I will save quite a bit over the year.
I notice they have also stopped the sim from working hard when loading, and downloading updates (marketplace as well).  That was a good touch.

37 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Yeah, I don't think you read my quote right.

The weather team can work on one task full time, or they can work on two tasks part time.  You get more work done and more progress done on one task full time, than splitting your time between two tasks.

This applies to everyone, you included.  If you work on two tasks, you get half the the work done on both tasks, as opposed to working full time on one task.  It's not rocket science, it's a pretty simple concept 🤣

Point is, MS should concentrate on the sim core and let 3PDs do what they'll invariably do better. It applies to scenery, airplanes and weather is no exception.

Developing an API is nowhere near the task of developing a full scale weather system. A team like HiFI had transformed the weather system in fsx/P3D, no reason for them not to do it here if only MS had let them in like they did with fsx or even work to accommodate them as LM did. 

No point in waiting years, as you suggest, to accomplish something that most certainly can be done now with some help on the outside...

31 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

Point is, MS should concentrate on the sim core and let 3PDs do what they'll invariably do better. It applies to scenery, airplanes and weather is no exception.

Developing an API is nowhere near the task of developing a full scale weather system. A team like HiFI had transformed the weather system in fsx/P3D, no reason for them not to do it here if only MS had let them in like they did with fsx or even work to accommodate them as LM did. 

No point in waiting years, as you suggest, to accomplish something that most certainly can be done now with some help on the outside...

You can't assume developing the API, up to the standard for HiFi, can be done quickly.  The community asked for the API to support weather radar at the WASM level, last year.  And only finally in SU 10, has Asobo implemented the weather radar API in WASM to support bitmaps only. It took them a year just to show bitmaps for the weather radar for WASM, along with all the other tasks they had to do.

At the pace Asobo added weather radar support for bitmaps at the WASM level, it could be another 3 years until the API is up to the standard for HiFi to do what they want.

Funny that you mention that Asobo should concentrate on the "core sim."  Live weather, to me, is part of the core sim.  And I don't want to pay for it as an add-on.  If you ask me, I prefer Asobo fixing live weather over the next few years, rather than wasting time working on the weather API for companies like HiFi.

I am open to revisiting live weather after a few years, if it's not up to par, and then considering pushing Asobo to switch their focus on opening up the weather API to 3rd parties like HiFi.  But only after giving Asobo a few years to work on live weather.  Until then, nope, I don't want Asobo wasting a single minute of their time opening up their weather API to companies like HiFi, and I would prefer a decent live weather system that is free and part of the core sim, instead of having a 3rd party dev do it.

Edited July 15, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

3 hours ago, MarcG said:

unfortunately a regression with the Eye Exposure/Contrast that they added for VR (again how this makes it through internal testing I'll never know!) 

Did you disable the EyeAdaptation post process effect for VR or is it something else?

53 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

MS should concentrate on the sim core and let 3PDs do what they'll invariably do better. It applies to scenery, airplanes and weather is no exception.

Weather is very much an exception, in my view it's a core part of any flight sim. I don't want to be stuffing my sim full of expensive third party addons (that'll invariably break with every sim update) to get basic functionality; I had enough of that nonsense with P3D. I don't think the existing weather is anywhere near as bad as the most vocal users say, and many of the weather issues stem from a subset of users who banged on about exact accuracy to METARs; I'm not saying the weather is perfect but it has improved much and no doubt will be improved further with upcoming glider content.

Edited July 15, 20223 yr by ckyliu