Gusts,  hmmm, just like flying a real aircraft.   

I flew the SWS_Zenith701 this afternoon for the first time and for a 10 knot wind it was a very realistic experience, I hadn't flown in a few days. So I don't know if it was because of an adjustment to wind characteristics or the Zenith is just that good. 

Four decade of 'flying on rails' made us simmers lazy. I find the gusts with SU10 very realistic (comparing it to real life GA flying).

Pilots sometimes really have to fight it in 'real life', they even have to go around, which is not a shame....

Just my 2 cents (Canadian).

34 minutes ago, Silicus said:

Four decade of 'flying on rails' made us simmers lazy. I find the gusts with SU10 very realistic (comparing it to real life GA flying).

Pilots sometimes really have to fight it in 'real life', they even have to go around, which is not a shame....

Just my 2 cents (Canadian).

I agree, I think everyone is used to no rudder or aileron input in crosswinds since FS started now its a big shock to them.

Had some great realistic gusts enroute to Auburn Muni tonight in my 172, but on final it was wind calm, and it was totally calm... of course I still bounced her 🙂

29 minutes ago, jpe828 said:

Had some great realistic gusts enroute to Auburn Muni tonight in my 172, but on final it was wind calm, and it was totally calm... of course I still bounced her 🙂

No! That is not it.  I have since SU10 had two instances of this new phenom that were totally unrealistic.  Most obvious was on short final in the Hjet at 118 knots at Lincoln, Nebraska (KLNK) with metar reported surface winds over the previous 12 hours from a quartering headwind direction at less than 10 knots.  No gusts.  At less than 50 AGL the Hjet was arc'd very sharply to the left off to the side of the runway and less than a second later arc'd sharply to the right, also well off the runway to that opposite side.  Not off over the centerline. Totally off the runway below.  When I say arc'd I mean like you'd rock an infant in your arms, back and forth from side to side, only violently.  It lacked any appearance of realism as there was no change in yaw or nose up/down attitude.  

Another instance was on final to Bloomington, Indiana, (KBMG) in a drizzle and overcast with reported calm winds.  The weather system in the area was stagnant with no convective characteristics.  The recently modded Baron B58 was almost buffetted out of the sky at about the same altitude, around 50 AGL.  I logged over 150 hours in a military T42 version of the B55 Baron and never once experienced anything so severe.  A good dose of that back then was avoiding conditions that might lead to such behavior.  The conditions in MSFS at the time were in no way characteristic of the occurance.

To me personally it seems like another instance of an attempt to infuse more realism but overapplying it, much like they have done twice with thunder and lightening here in the USA, and as they originallly did with icing conditions.  It appears to me that they infused a random layer at a low altitude, and possible tied it to runway approach.  I have not experienced it at any other altitude.  My interim recommendation is to keep your airspeed up on landing, perhaps a bit unrealistically. In the Hjet I am staying about 5 kts above Vref and so far in three flights appear to be avoiding this issue.

The reports are credible.

Edited October 5, 20223 yr by fppilot

Here is todays true story. Few hours ago  METAR reported a sweat deal 25004KT 10SM CLR 22/17 A2988  

With great visibility and calm winds my  student  rotated airplane, pitched for Vx untill suddenly we experienced small left crosswind with a medium gust. Our airplane turned nose into wind while drifting opposite direction  I looked down and noticed we drifted enough all way to the right and now flying over taxiway! I took over and corrected . My student excuse was "he totally unexpected it", and  there was "no crosswind or gust on ATIS or forecast". So I had a little deja vu, I though wow I heard it somewhere! LOL Right? Well, I told my student I totally feel for him but examiner will neither care nor feel any sympathy! So.... fly  airplane, keep runway heading, and offset for a drift 🙂Taa daa - end of drama! LOL

No Asobo to blame, no weather man to complain LOL Oh But hey I still get to take a screenshot of pretty sunset LOL

 

 

 

 

In reality the weather does not know the metar it should stick to. So the real weather is first and metars try to catch up. In the sim(s) it used to be the other way round. So Asobo appears to give the weather some slack and simulate sporadic deviations from metar (sporadic = the majority of users is in the "keep it"-camp, a few in the "dumb it down"-camp).

6 hours ago, rondon9898 said:

I’m good already, I just want realism.

You can only judge this if you are a real life pilot at the same time.
I myself had quiet some fun with sticking the nose into the wind at final and sometimes get blown away, so that I have to use my ailerons and rudder more than before.
FYI, I'm not a real pilot.

No other complaints but I do miss the excellent cloud depiction from the early days. Proper overcast layer till the ground where it suppose to be. 

8 hours ago, rondon9898 said:

Since SU10, I’ve had ridiculous gusts on short final on every single approach, even when the winds are light and no gusts reported. They have, I’m glad to see, rectified the stupid gusts/windshear problems in the cruise, but has anyone else noticed this? 10 updates to the simulator and weather is still not simulated properly 🙄 why isn’t there an option to turn the gusts off?

Again...its pretty near impossible to gauge whether your perception has any merit unless you state whether or not have you flown anything similar in real life in similar conditions?

Decades in the sim gives can give little appreciation of actually being in the air and if all you have to compare to is experience previous sims then that means little as gusts and turbulence are only just coming into flight sims

 

Im not saying you dont have a valid point for all I know you are a 4000 hour ATPL who regularly flys the aircraft in question (Im guessing not), just that nobody really can tell

Im fairly happy with the state of weather as to its effect on aircraft classes im familiar with, yes it has some odd 'huh?. moments, but ive not experienced better in other sims

 

The ground handling when down though, thats another matter and to me winds feels exaggerated once wheels are on the ground, I dont understand why though.

 

I hope that doesnt sound insulting, its just my opinion

I find that, all taken into consideration, MFS offers me a closer to reality sensation of weather than any other sim at the moment.

The gusts, the shear, and even the variability, remind me of "being there" and I really like it the way it is.

Yes, probably some aspects have to be further enhanced, fine tuned, but it's in the right track, IMO.

I’m actually specifically talking about the Fenix A320 in the sim - I haven’t flown GA aircraft in the sim for a good while. Short final, every approach, the G/S mini goes mad and the speed bug jumps up and down with huge deviations. I’m not saying it’s not realistic or feasible to have gusts or windshear on approach ever, of course it is, but it is not realistic to have it like this on every single approach in light or calm winds. Given that it happens on short final, I think it’s trying to simulate, in an extremely hamfisted way, mechanical turbulence off buildings etc. Again, this can happen. I fly GA aircraft in the real world and do experience this but in light winds, the effect is little to none, and it is of course very much dependent upon wind direction and the nature of the obstacles. And big airliners are much more stable than GA aircraft they should not have their flight path disturbed this badly by tiny deviations.

Come to think of it, this may be a Fenix problem as I don’t think I’ve used the PMDG 737 in SU10 yet. If you look at Blackbox711’s stream to Shannon yesterday you’ll see what I’m talking about. 

EDIT you can see it happening on Blackbox’s 737 stream too, yesterday. It’s just silly.

Edited October 5, 20223 yr by rondon9898

How people claim the gust system is realistic is beyond me. It's cr4p. 

And don't tell me 737driver tells the new system is realistic because in that video he doesn't use Live weather and in manual weather there's an option to tune down the number of gusts per minute, which is one the main issues of gusts in live weather. 

9 hours ago, rondon9898 said:

I’m good already, I just want realism.

97% of people, including many real life pilots, like the gusts in SU 10 though for MSFS: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/thanks-asobo-this-turbulence-is-absolutely-spot-on/544851/57 (FYI, I am not a real life pilot, so I have been reading the comments from real life pilots to get an idea if the new gusts in SU 10 make MSFS more realistic or not).

The new gusts have been talked about already, here in Avsim and also at the official MSFS forums. The overall takeaway I got is that most real life pilots like the new gusts, which would be consistent with the poll result of 97% of people liking the new gusts.  I read a few comments from real life pilots that don't like the new gusts, but those comments were far and few. By far, most of the real life pilot comments I read, like the new gusts.

If you're not a real life pilot, here is some feedback from 737 NG Driver who is a real life 737 pilot and a popular Youtube flight sim streamer, on the new gusts:

The gusts probably need some further tweaking, as I have been reading feedback from various real life pilots. But overall, the consensus from the real life pilot feedback that I read, which is consistent with the 97% poll result, is that they like the new gusts in SU 10.

Edited October 5, 20223 yr by abrams_tank