I wonder if it is worth to buy the Flysimware Lear 35 if there is the Longitude (faster / more modern / VNAV). I just could purchase it but I do not want to much redundancy in my hangar.

Any Ideas?

40 minutes ago, PTI139 said:

I wonder if it is worth to buy the Flysimware Lear 35 if there is the Longitude (faster / more modern / VNAV). I just could purchase it but I do not want to much redundancy in my hangar.

Any Ideas?

Depends on what you class as redundancy I guess. They are very very different aircraft, the Longitude is far more capable and modern.

For me it would be more having the Lear 35 would make buying the XP Lear 25 (when it comes out) redundant as they far closer comparison, but the 35 has better range.

More a case of if you want to fly an older steam gauge aircraft that you have to do everything manually or the (nearly) fully automatic Longitude. 

For the record I fly both and they are both great, although the Longitude gets more flights, because I do prefer modern avionics. Don't forget the CJ4 as well.

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I have the Longitude  and the Cirrus Vision Jet  (and the CJ4).

I have done a lot of flights on the CJ4 (with the WT Mod), and want something new.

The Longitude is technically great, but i dont like the Black Dark Cockpit, same with the 787 and the TBM 940.

The Vision Jet is nice, flys nice and easy to operate. Maybe to easy, theres not much to do, and im somewhat tired

of the G1000.

Im planning to buy the Learjet 35A, its more different then "another G1000" Aircraft.

 

I know I’m late to this discussion, but I have to chime in with the others that the Longitude is by far your best choice. The guys at Working Title put an insane amount of work into that plane and it’s a work of art. Its level of sophistication and system modeling probably dwarfs some payware planes. 

This video speaks volumes in favor of the Longitude (by Matt from Working Title):

AFAIK, the Citation CJ4 is at a similar (possibly superior) level of fidelity.

Between these and the 6k range provided by BBJ 1, the only other (available) biz jet for MSFS that interests me is the FSW Lear. It's like driving an old muscle car 🙂

And yes, must recommend Hot Start Challenger 650 in ANY post about biz jets. 😉

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The Longitude is just an unappealing boring bizjet to me. Maybe because it still is an original MS/Asobo plane even though it received major 3rd party improvements.

It's just something I always skip over as far as aircraft selection, something about the Longitude and default 787 just turn me off in MSFS. Can't put my finger on it.

The L35A, HJet and SF50 are the top 3 bizjets in MSFS imo.

 

10 hours ago, Merawen said:

Im planning to buy the Learjet 35A, its more different then "another G1000" Aircraft.

You won’t be disappointed with that one…

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The HJET is the only plane that I'd go with in RL like Tom Hanks.  My only plane.

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3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

 

AFAIK, the Citation CJ4 is at a similar (possibly superior) level of fidelity.

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And yes, must recommend Hot Start Challenger 650 in ANY post about biz jets. 😉

From comments from Matt it seems the Longitude is their superior bizjet. Although the CJ4 is also superb, add the Wooselmod (bet I spelt that wrong) and you are getting towards good payware quality.

100% agree on the 650, purchased XP12 just for that - it's completely insane absolutely nothing comes close, looking forward to when the rear equipment bay gets into the beta. Then should have no reason to use the menus at all...

 

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17 hours ago, Just-66 said:

There have been no updates for H-JET for a very long time. Does this mean that the plane is already ideal?

I have now logged over 840 hours in the Hjet, 420 of those hours since the last update. All I could find to improve are now reliant on WT and any future AAUI (advanced avionics user interface) updates to the now-MSFS core G3000.  A good example is aural callouts.  The Hjet has user-selectable options for altitude callouts.  What is missing are standard Garmin callouts for situations.  Terrain, sink rate, overspeed, traffic, pull up, etc.  There are a number more.  Again, the Hjet now uses the MSFS core G3000 as enhanced by Working Title, so it is the responsibility of WT to provide those G3000 features.  This approach reduces the need for Hjet-specific updates each time the core G3000 is updated.

Today I completed a flight from Cleveland Burke Lakefront (KBKF) to Miami Intl (KMIA). Loaded four souls. medium F and R baggage, and 2,880 lbs fuel.  Flighttime at FL430 @ M.69 was exactly 3 hours. Route as flown was 1,070 nm,  Landed with 680 lbs fuel left.  I plan my flights at the real world Fltplan.com web site and port the route over to Simbrief for access within the Hjet G3000.

I am a Navigraph subscriber and thus have the advantage of Simbrief flight plans and Navigraph Charts in the Hjet.  

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1 hour ago, fppilot said:

I have now logged over 840 hours in the Hjet, 420 of those hours since the last update. All I could find to improve are now reliant on WT and any future AAUI (advanced avionics user interface) updates to the now-MSFS core G3000.  A good example is aural callouts.  The Hjet has user-selectable options for altitude callouts.  What is missing are standard Garmin callouts for situations.  Terrain, sink rate, overspeed, traffic, pull up, etc.  There are a number more.  Again, the Hjet now uses the MSFS core G3000 as enhanced by Working Title, so it is the responsibility of WT to provide those G3000 features.  This approach reduces the need for Hjet-specific updates each time the core G3000 is updated.

Today I completed a flight from Cleveland Burke Lakefront (KBKF) to Miami Intl (KMIA). Loaded four souls. medium F and R baggage, and 2,880 lbs fuel.  Flighttime at FL430 @ M.69 was exactly 3 hours. Route as flown was 1,070 nm,  Landed with 680 lbs fuel left.  I plan my flights at the real world Fltplan.com web site and port the route over to Simbrief for access within the Hjet G3000.

I am a Navigraph subscriber and thus have the advantage of Simbrief flight plans and Navigraph Charts in the Hjet.  

Your comprehensive answer has me stumped)))

4 hours ago, Just-66 said:

Your comprehensive answer has me stumped)))

He likes the HJET.  🙂

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The Citation Longitude is a great plane, and I've logged many sim hours in it, but, avionics aside, the rest is lackluster - you're practically just flying a cockpit, kinda like in FS9/FSX/P3d.

There has to be a significant demand for a long range business jet in the sim. Not sure why developers keep turning out those poodle jumper and jalopy planes. 

Maybe because they can't be bothered developing a new avionics package, and it's easier just to slap decent visuals around the -admittedly great - default avionics package done by WT.

I would like to see PMDG making a  a long range business jet for the sim.

2 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

The Citation Longitude is a great plane, and I've logged many sim hours in it, but, avionics aside, the rest is lackluster - you're practically just flying a cockpit, kinda like in FS9/FSX/P3d.

There has to be a significant demand for a long range business jet in the sim. Not sure why developers keep turning out those poodle jumper and jalopy planes. 

Maybe because they can't be bothered developing a new avionics package, and it's easier just to slap decent visuals around the -admittedly great - default avionics package done by WT.

The longitude is great but, lack of cabin is a problem for me.

I know some laugh at this, but it really impacts immersion especially in a bizjet, you know you're just flying a cockpit around whereas with the HJet etc, you feel more like you're flying an actual complete aircraft.

I swear MS at one point promised a cabin for this back when they were pitching the differences between versions of MS.