1 minute ago, Tuskin38 said:

Clearly you do since you responded and keep posting in this thread.

And? It’s a public forum with a public discussion, what’s hard to understand about that? I answered your question. Move on. So, stop quoting me out of context.  I said I didn’t care about what controllers people used, when you asked the question if I cared. The answer is no, I don’t care what controllers people use. 

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18 minutes ago, Funky D said:

I've always assumed "10 years of support" meant the servers would stay online for at least 10 years, but it seems some people think paying $60-$120 once for MSFS should entitle them to 10 years of free updates and added features. Meanwhile, these same people steer new users to the Steam version and away from the MSFS marketplace, ensuring MS doesn't get an extra penny for any of the additional work put into MSFS.

 

I think you're a little out of the loop. I haven't seen many people complaining that they have to buy a new sim. So far, the biggest concern is whether addons, especially those purchased from the marketplace, will be transferable.

20 minutes ago, Funky D said:

The entitlement and complete lack of touch with reality that some people have never ceases to amaze me.

...snip

Righteous rant dude 🙂

My advice for those feeling pain after viewing this trailer is to lighten up and wait and see what happens.  

2 minutes ago, edu2703 said:

I haven't seen many people complaining that they have to buy a new sim

I guess you haven't browsed the official forum or official discord. It's a pigsty.

Edited June 12, 20233 yr by Tuskin38

 Zangoose got it right with his quote. "This brand-new simulator is designed to take advantage of the latest technologies in simulation, cloud, machine learning, graphics and gaming to create the most sophisticated, immersive and awe-inspiring flight simulator of all time. To achieve this unprecedented level of accuracy, Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is powered by the significantly evolved Asobo Studio engine. "

21 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Ermmmm the blunt and short answer yes. I mean it’s only a flight simulator after all. Imagine having the basics nailed down as a base. Wouldn’t that be something. 

You conveniently ignore the point I was trying to make with that statement... What are the other teams supposed to work on? If Asobo halted all development on the sim to only work on what a small percentage of the community deem to be the most important, this sim would cease to exist.

Also, the "basics" have been there since release. We've been able to fly planes in MSFS. MS/Asobo could have stopped providing updates a year or two ago. Instead, they brought in WT, give us a huge amount of transparency in their developer updates, and have continued to show their commitment to this sim. Another reason that assuming 2020 addons will not work with 2024 is a bad take, IMO, especially when we see at least one of those addons in the trailer!

13 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

@Bob Scott 
Avsim is going to need a new sub-forum. 
This one might have just celebrated its 4th birthday, yet the announcement of its sibling's arrival has stolen its thunder!

Good one! Just amazes me how people jump to conclusions watching a 2 minute promo. This is the most successful franchise in Microsoft’s history and they are expanding to new horizons in concert with technology. The decision by the Microsoft executives to highlight career paths in aviation as the focus of the trailer is very impressive. Great to add new possibilities in this sim platform beyond the usual fly from point A to B with all the airport bells and whistles.

19 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

I don’t think most people are all that concerned about paying for the upgrade. The biggest concern it seems, by far, is backwards compatibility. If someone from MS can put that concern to bed, there will be a lot less anxiety. Speculation only creates more concern.

Exactly this. For now, I have hit pause on purchasing any further add-ons for 2020 -- which is too bad as I was going to pick up Ontario this weekend.

31 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

I don’t think most people are all that concerned about paying for the upgrade. The biggest concern it seems, by far, is backwards compatibility. If someone from MS can put that concern to bed, there will be a lot less anxiety. Speculation only creates more concern.
 

Cheers, Pete

Yes and no, i am also concerned that what should have been there in the beginning and was missing (examples: decently behaving AI traffic and a realistic weather engine where the conditions you are flying in actually matter.) will never be fixed, or the bugfixes will be sold to me as MSFS2024. I deliberately waited with the purchase of the new sim for a year because i wanted to wait for developments. I got MSFS in mid 2021, now i am comfortable with the "new sim" and I notice more and more addons being offered. I feel myself like i am just getting started and MSFS is just now unfolding its potential. So what next? Abandonware until 2024?

 

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3 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

Yes and no, i am also concerned that what should have been there in the beginning and was missing (examples: decently behaving AI traffic and a realistic weather engine where the conditions you are flying in actually matter.) will never be fixed, or the bugfixes will be sold to me as MSFS2024. I deliberately waited with the purchase of the new sim for a year because i wanted to wait for developments. Now i am comfortable with the new sim and I notice more and more addons being offered. I feel myself like i am just getting started and MSFS is just now unfolding its potential. So what next? Abandonware until 2024?

 

EDIT: please delete, my browser messed up.

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5 minutes ago, Funky D said:

What are the other teams supposed to work on? If Asobo halted all development on the sim to only work on what a small percentage of the community deem to be the most important, this sim would cease to exist.

Small percentage? Have you seen the wish list over at the official forums? Have you see the moans and groans here in avsim? Every time I visit these forums, someone is moaning about lack of good AI or working ATC. I would hardly call that a small percentage. 
 

And what are the other teams supposed to work on? I have no idea, as I do not know what teams they have, nor do you. You’re assuming. Here’s a novel idea, increase the team that handles the base sim issues such as AI and ATC and weather etc, and FIX THE BASICS! 

6 hours ago, rjquick said:

Well, if you were wondering why so many issues don't get worked on, it's probably because they were spending their time on this nonsense.

They release, by far, the greatest flight simulator ever.  They give 13 world updates for free.  12 simulator updates, free.

But no, let's bash them because they release this as a new version.

Odd how X-Plane goes from version 11 to 12 and everyone's excited, but Flight Simulator goes from 2020 to 2024 and it gets comments like this.

Like they can never put out a new version and actually bring in some income to continue the excellent work.  Nope, 2020 should be the last version ever and everything should be free, forever.

That's just not how it works.

4 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

They give 13 world updates for free.  12 simulator updates, free.

No body asked for them, and I’m sure most people would have happily paid for them if they wanted them. They could have spent that time employing teams to fix AI, ATc, weather, morphing scenery, taking DX12 out of beta.. etc etc etc.

Instead we can race in Reno (that no one ever does anymore as hardly anyone is online), or we can fly over some morphing scenery. It’s so frustrating because they created a beautiful sim, but it is not seeing its full potential. Creating ‘study level’ aircraft, yet you can’t navigate past broken AI, or talk to ATC correctly. So a study level aircraft in a half study level sim? 

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1 hour ago, Purr said:

Interesting….what is this? Do you have a link for more info?

thx

It was mentioned several times in more than 1 dev Q&A.

sometimes I feel like the only rational person on this planet. I don't get the point about complaining about something we don't have the full info about yet.

 

People talking about airliner stuff. We saw an A330 in the trailer, with an actual licenced livery from TAP.

Also the Iberia A320 again, which they showed us in a trailer back in 2020 but it was never actually in the sim.

Edited June 12, 20233 yr by Tuskin38