December 7, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Flic1 said: Hi - I will be picking this up for sure. Can anyone let me know how Beta range works on this? Is it similar to the TBM 850? On the FSR500, I have a curve set up on my Throttle range to make it work in a similar manner to the TBM where bottom 15% of throttle range is beta.. I watched a couple videos and read the manual but have not seen anything mentioned. Thanks! It's more like the FSR500. 9800X3D | 5090 | 64GB DDR5 | LG C2 42"
December 7, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Flic1 said: Hi - I will be picking this up for sure. Can anyone let me know how Beta range works on this? Is it similar to the TBM 850? On the FSR500, I have a curve set up on my Throttle range to make it work in a similar manner to the TBM where bottom 15% of throttle range is beta.. I watched a couple videos and read the manual but have not seen anything mentioned. Thanks! Works exactly the same as in the M500. In fact, I use the exact same control profile for both planes without an issue. The power management setup of the PC-12 and the M500 is almost identical: One Throttle lever (Power Control Lever - PCL - is what Pilatus calls it), a Manual Override and a combined Prop+Mixture (=> Condition) lever. Edited December 7, 20232 yr by psychedelic_tortilla Intel i7-10700K @ 4.7 GHz | Nvidia RTX 3070 FE | 32GB DDR4 RAM
December 7, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said: Don't agree with that! The PC-12 is good, but is a level below the FSR500 or Blacksquare TBM850. The initial bugs are not an issue for me, especially as the first patch was out in a few hours. Until failures/hot starts etc are included, the other two products are better - the FSR500 with its fuel and passenger loading add a good deal to the experience AND it's systems are fully featured at release. That is one of the few things I dislike about the TBM. It takes its fuel from the sim. I actually left the nozzle in the tank on the FSR500 and noticed only in the air when i saw this weird thing flapping around outside the plane. Ron Ron MSFS 2024 -Too many airplanes to name. Too many airports to name.
December 7, 20232 yr My personal opinion that SWS PC-12 reflect airframe "heaviness" feel way better than FSR 500. I wish FSR weak some FM ground physics especially and unrealistically long flares. In contrast. FSR EFB and failures is where SWS can take some notes. While Icing model edge is on SWS side! On the other hand... LOL Anyway A2A, BS, SWS, FSR are my favorite piston/turboprop airframes for MSFS. Absolutely love them! Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASELMy System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSDPut my hands on (pic/dual/given)7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22
December 7, 20232 yr We have a lot of PC-12s operating out my home base in SoCal. Gorgeous airplane what can I say! Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASELMy System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSDPut my hands on (pic/dual/given)7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22
December 7, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said: That is one of the few things I dislike about the TBM. It takes its fuel from the sim. I actually left the nozzle in the tank on the FSR500 and noticed only in the air when i saw this weird thing flapping around outside the plane. Ron Lol Ron, good thing that was just in the sim...in real life that would be considerably more disconcerting to look over and see!! : ) AMD 5830X Nvidia RTX 3060 Win 11
December 7, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, sd_flyer said: My personal opinion that SWS PC-12 reflect airframe "heaviness" feel way better than FSR 500. Yes, the feeling of flying a heavy aircraft has been modelled very nicely with the PC12. Sim aircraft are often more twitchy than the real aircraft, but the PC12 is anything but twitchy. CPU Ryzen 7800X 3D RAM 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz GPU GEFORCE RTX 4090 Monitor AOC AGON AG352UCG UltraWide G-Sync @ 3440x1440 Internal Storage 1TB NVMe PCIe SSD External Storage Three 4Tb HDs
December 7, 20232 yr I am watching tutorial with a real pilot and all of a sudden I remembered how I sat in the cockpit of a PC12 this summer. Getting in the pilot chair was quite the exercise. It is one small cockpit. (7:20 in the video they are talking about it.) Ron Ron MSFS 2024 -Too many airplanes to name. Too many airports to name.
December 7, 20232 yr @JYW Whats the in-sim performance like compared to the Carenado? Is it harder on frame rates?
December 7, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said: Is it harder on frame rates? Not on my machine. -B
December 7, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, turbomax said: more detail than I ever hoped for. Sorry. I'd rather have fun and fly this since I left the Carenado in the hangar. I'm not hurt by this. Love this plane and the FSR as well. 7800+4090+64ram Just Flight RJ, 146 and F28, Piper Arrows ---A2A Aerostar and Comanche---Black Square Starship, Duke(s), TBM, Bonanza/BaronV2, KingAir---FSReborn FSR500---COWS Da42---FX P180, HJet & VJet---FlySimWare Chancellor and LearJet---FlightSimStudio EMB175 &P2006T---Fenix 320---PMDG DC6, 737(700+900), 777---C22J---Milviz Cessna 310 & Porter---SimWorksStudios Kodiak, PC12, Zenith & RV14---BigRadials Goose---IndiaFoxEcho MB3339+F35.
December 7, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said: Yes, the feeling of flying a heavy aircraft has been modelled very nicely with the PC12. Sim aircraft are often more twitchy than the real aircraft, but the PC12 is anything but twitchy. Indeed, just been up in the circuit with the PC12 ( orbx LBA V2) and get it trimmed out properly and it does feel really nice, the more I fly it the more I'm liking it. However, I'm still not happy with the way it's skidding out of turns, it's needing way to much rudder for my liking to get it into a balanced turn. I don't see this being down to engine torque as I'm flying down wind and turning onto base on a constant throttle circa 12 psi, gear down flap 15, but the left turn to base is needing a big boot full of thrustmaster TPR rudder to get the slip ball off the stops. And that's with a heck of a lot of left rudder trim already in. In addition my TDS 650 and 750 are powering on and off , but I can live with that for now. I'm liking the visual modelling , sounds -particularly the voice cautions , and 75% of the flight modelling. it's just that slip ball is all over the place, and as much as I hate to be one of those people...but that's not what it does on the youtube videos. 🙂 787 captain. Previously 24 years on 747-400.Technical advisor on PMDG 747 legacy versions QOTS 1 , FS9 and Aerowinx PS1.
December 7, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said: @JYW Whats the in-sim performance like compared to the Carenado? Is it harder on frame rates? Doesn't seem to have any particularly high demands on GPU/CPU. Pretty frame rate friendly as far as I can tell. Probably on a par with the Carenado model. I guess it depends on your system. I have a 3080Ti. Not state of the art but beefy enough that FPS aren't really a concern any more; at least with my settings in MSFS, which I would describe as 'sensible'. I certainly don't have everything on 'Ultra'. Most settings are on High. Hope this helps. Bill 😎FS2024 • Currently in 'GA mode' : A2A Comanche 2024 & Aerostar • Black Square C208, Bonanzas, Barons, TBM850, Dukes • COWS DA40 & DA42 • FSW Legacy, C24R Sierra & C414 • Echo Falco F8L • FFX HJET, Visionjet and P180 2024 • Got Friends A32 Vixxen • FSReborn Sirius TL3000, Sting S4 and Piper M500 • Flyboy Rans S6S • Skyward DA50RG • SWS Zenith CH701, RV-8, RV-10, RV-14, PC12 • Milviz C310R • Air Foil Labs Bristell B23 TrackIR • BeyondATC • PMS GTN Payware • RealTurb • Axis & Ohs • FS Realistic Pro9800X3D • RTX 3080 • 64GB DDR5-6000NPPL licence holder in the UK
December 7, 20232 yr Just completed my first flight. Overall, I really like it. Love the sounds, feels good in the air (nice and heavy) and it looks pretty amazing on the visual front too. Also, nice to see a decent prop disk animation. Did struggle on the ground after touch down as I thought I would. I had to use all my rudder authority just to keep it on the runway, even with the rudder trim set correctly and the yaw damper off. In the video posted earlier, they mentioned the sim having a ground and air mode and the transition between them is a little off right now. I get they are going for a realistic flight model, but I hope it's something they can adjust as the transition from ground to air mode and back again is making takeoffs and landings a bit difficult imho.
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