7 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

Definitely!

You are just ranting here!

Not sure what the point of your post is!

Sometimes we just need to vent our frustrations (whether that is by talking to someone about them, or typing words on a forum).

50 minutes ago, psolk said:

Just look at the FSElite review.  If people don't agree with what he said, most of which was spot on it's deemed clickbait.  There is no room for civil discussion LOL.   

You are not alone in your dissatisfaction despite the fact you are about to be told you are 😉  

The game was released like 2 weeks ago. What would one expect. Coming to a forum to just gripe solves nothing hence why you will find people such as myself questioning your logic.

The "FSElite review" is clickbait to direct someone to there web site! That is what clickbait is. If anyone wanted to read one persons opinion it was already on his web site. No need to come here and re-direct people to read it.

Geez people need to just give the developers some time to push some updates out.

There are indeed many people that are not having problems like others for sure.

There is plenty not to like for sure but not enough to keep griping about.

I highly doubt Jorg is going to log on here and read through all of this nonsense as people seem to believe he does!

 

The day Asobo/MS decided to stream everything for 2024, that is the day they started to F...up. 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by CarlosF

I took a break from flight sim winter of 22/23, because they had introduced a trackIR bug in December and refused to fix it until February. All I do is bush flying, so I need it. 
But these few months was enough for me to lose my interest again. I packed up my peripherals and did other things instead. 

Then news of 2024 came about, and I decided this would be the perfect time to get back into it. Delete MSFS2020, update from Win 10 to Win 11, and then install MSFS2024.
But then on launch day I saw the complete and utter mess this was. It took away the hype.

So now I'm just a grumpy middle aged man complaining on the forums instead. 

40 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

The game was released like 2 weeks ago. What would one expect. Coming to a forum to just gripe solves nothing hence why you will find people such as myself questioning your logic.

The "FSElite review" is clickbait to direct someone to there web site! That is what clickbait is. If anyone wanted to read one persons opinion it was already on his web site. No need to come here and re-direct people to read it.

Geez people need to just give the developers some time to push some updates out.

There are indeed many people that are not having problems like others for sure.

There is plenty not to like for sure but not enough to keep griping about.

I highly doubt Jorg is going to log on here and read through all of this nonsense as people seem to believe he does!

 

And yet these forums are here for people to express all of their opinions positive and negative.  Don't like it, move along.  

Just because YOU disagree doesn't invalidate someone else's opinion, make it clickbait or control their ability and right to come here and express it and it shouldn't be made personal like we are insulting someone's baby...   

It's an opinion you don't have to like it but please respect it everyone is entitled to their own and to post how THEY feel. 

It's not like 1 or 2 people are upset here so please stop telling them they don't have the right to be, they shouldn't post about it, they are whining or they are just wrong.  

On the flip side, if you are SOOOO happy then can always go fly and ignore these posts altogether 🙂 

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by psolk

1 hour ago, psolk said:

You are going to get bombarded by the usual few about how great it is and how everything works for them so the sim is great.

Fine, worded like that it applies to a critical thread. Next time a positive thread appears, I could as well reply as the second post with:

You are going to get bombarded by the usual few about how bad it is and how everything does not work for them so the sim is bad.

Do you see how one-sided you are?

9 minutes ago, fsiscool said:

Fine, worded like that it applies to a critical thread. Next time a positive thread appears, I could as well reply as the second post with:

You are going to get bombarded by the usual few about how bad it is and how everything does not work for them so the sim is bad.

Do you see how one-sided you are?

Actually, someone pointed out I was being that person last week, I immediately conceded, apologized and stopped.  My comment was pertinent and related to this particular thread.  

But yes, you will absolutely see the same behavior both ways, I was guilty of it myself and pivoted to modify my own behavior which is the only thing I can control.  

But again, thank you for ignoring the entire thread and making it about my comment and calling me one sided when you really know nothing about my thought process.  

Do you see how you went straight to the person vs simply disagreeing with what was said or simply saying "it goes both ways" to which I would have agreed.  

 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by psolk

1 hour ago, David Roch said:

MSFS is like a sandcastle that children patiently build and then break without the slightest regret once finished, to rebuild another one.
Everything that had been patiently fixed and improved during the 4 years of MSFS 2020's life has been destroyed and redone.
GUI, controller assignments, weather, ATC, AI aircraft, autogen etc...
Why?
For better smoothness? This is not the case.
For better streaming? Oh no more.
For better rendering of photogrammetric textures? It's the opposite that happens.
For a better user experience? No, there is nothing intuitive or very logical in this new version.
For the graphic quality? Only for what concerns lighting and shadows, which are more beautiful but which could have been the subject of a simple patch and not a new version.

The problem is that when you change everything you do the same stupid things again, and it takes time to fix them all.
Now we'll have to wait 4 years for everything to work properly and then they'll do it all over again.
But we're addicted to new features and once we've tried them we don't want to go back, so most of us will gradually drop MSFS 2020 to migrate to 2024.
And we'll accept like good sheep the dance of the multiple "2 steps forward, 3 steps back" that MS and Asobo are preparing for us for the next four years.

Oh my...
My wife says I've become grumpy since I stopped flying, I think she's right!! 😄

You might get flak from the annoying trolls on this site but on the official forums....there's a lot of this. UI and controller set up is kind of wonky. Smoothness is mostly better but then again I used AutoFPS for 2020 and didn't have issues either. Migrating will take time.

No but I agree. 2024 is a little silly. Looks a lot better at least.

Asobo/MS are just another example of other developers/manufacturers. They love to add more "stuff" into their products without making them work first. Bugless, quirkless and have it running smooth,

NOPE! Have to add in a bunch of stuff before you simply make it work. None of us should have been surprised by this.

But hey, 2024 is a lot better now vs launch day. That was a mess.

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by Sonosusto

I agree on most points with the OP.

I've been making a slow transition since day one like I did when I went from FSX to P3D to MSFS. That means I'm exploring the new sim with short GA flights in rural areas. This time it also gives me enough time to get used to this unfortunate designed GUI, especially the unnecessary new control assignments. For professional flights and IFR flights with airliners, I prefer the older sim. This is mainly because of the ai traffic, which is still my biggest concern.

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by Nemo

22 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

The day Asobo/MS decided to stream everything for 2024, that is the day they started to F...up. 

Well, once they enable local downloads of default and marketplace aircraft/airports/scenery then in theory it should be similar to 2020 in terms of the amount of streaming. Let's see.
 

33 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

The day Asobo/MS decided to stream everything for 2024, that is the day they started to F...up. 

Not everything is streamed and there will soon be an operating mode, which works the same as MSFS 2020.

 

People also seemt to overlook these advantages of streaming:

- MSFS 2024 has a much smaller memory footprint

- MSFS 2024 storage will not ever grow larger and larger

- You get content and data just on demand. That makes installation quicker.

- The cloud content provisioning system is kind of a giant addonlinker, which works fully automated and "installs" always just what is needed.

- Without you doing anything, you will always get the latest version of anything. A fix of an aircraft e.g. is reaching users whithout any action by the user.

- World updates won't grow your local installation anymore.

- You can spare storage cost. MS pays that for you. Even from a pure financial perspective MSFS 2024 therefore has a better bang for the buck ratio.

 

I am aware, that under some conditions and for some users, running more an offline mode is preferable. But for all the others, all these advantages are certainly a good thing.

These days, I had to setup a new PC. Installation time of MSFS 2024 -> 20 minutes. The full MSFS 2020 installation with all the world updates took easily 30 times (!) more! Like 10 hours or so.

23 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

I highly doubt Jorg is going to log on here and read through all of this nonsense as people seem to believe he does!

 

If you knew how much I don't care about him...
He's neither my friend nor my cousin.
I write what I think on this forum because with time you make friends with whom you want to share your feelings.
That's all.
You can call it nonsense or ranting, yes.
Ranting which does not force anyone to approve or even read.
Just a chat with friends.
Something wrong with that? 🙂

5 minutes ago, David Roch said:

If you knew how much I don't care about him...
He's neither my friend nor my cousin.
I write what I think on this forum because with time you make friends with whom you want to share your feelings.
That's all.
You can call it nonsense or ranting, yes.
Ranting which does not force anyone to approve or even read.
Just a chat with friends.
Something wrong with that? 🙂

Nothing wrong with that David, no matter our differences we're all here because we're passionate about flight simulation, so when things go south like with MSFS24 it becomes that extra bit annoying to us, we're only human after all. So no matter how many defenders stick to their guns and proclaim you are in the "wrong" with your very valid opinions, just remember there's a lot of people thinking exactly the same as you. The Official Forums are awash with like minded annoyed & frustrated customers, the AVSim Bubble that some here live in does not speak for the whole community, just a very very small part of it.

 

59 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

The game was released like 2 weeks ago. What would one expect. Coming to a forum to just gripe solves nothing hence why you will find people such as myself questioning your logic.

The "FSElite review" is clickbait to direct someone to there web site! That is what clickbait is. If anyone wanted to read one persons opinion it was already on his web site. No need to come here and re-direct people to read it.

Geez people need to just give the developers some time to push some updates out.

There are indeed many people that are not having problems like others for sure.

There is plenty not to like for sure but not enough to keep griping about.

I highly doubt Jorg is going to log on here and read through all of this nonsense as people seem to believe he does!

 

The developers have had 4 years experience in developing 2020, so should have had 2024 in a better state on release than it currently is. 

Since I am a "glass half empty" kind of guy, my enjoyment of flight simulation can be affected by quite mundane things. A classic example would be the mesh issue at ORBx ESMS Malmo that I mentioned earlier in this thread. I actually noticed it last night during a short flight around the airport before landing again. I enjoyed the flight.....and then I noticed the mesh problem. Now, this is not the most severe example of terrain elevation issues that I have ever seen, but it was enough to kill some of the immersion that I had enjoyed from the flight up to that point.

That might sound like an overreaction, but it is a good illustration of how my own enjoyment of flight simulation is delicately balanced on a knife edge, and why multiple issues (however small) can lead to frustration, and ultimately result in a loss of enthusiasm.

It is the reason why I have not yet purchased MSFS 2024.

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by Christopher Low