8 minutes ago, Dreamflight767 said:

My employer promotes some of its laziest, weakest, and worst employees to be managers.  Every time the selected person is announced, I feel like I can't take a breath and I'm left baffled and puzzled*.  At some point, I realized that my expectations/qualities of a manager differ from that of my employer.

 

9 minutes ago, Dreamflight767 said:

* I have no desire to join management or enforce/promote their agenda

😂 This made me laugh, it’s exactly how I feel about the training department where I work.

2 hours ago, fsiscool said:

- MSFS 2024 has a much smaller memory footprint

If you mean RAM, this is not correct. MSFS 2024 uses more RAM in every respect. In 2020 RAM is usually between 15 and 18 GB. Now it is between 25 and 28 GB.

 

2 hours ago, fsiscool said:

MSFS 2024 storage will not ever grow larger and larger

Partially true, but add-ons will still need quite some space if they weren't purchased via the marketplace.

 

2 hours ago, fsiscool said:

You can spare storage cost. MS pays that for you.

Hmm ... 333 GB (2020) vs 58 (2024) = 275 GB =   14 €  (50 €/TB)

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by Nemo

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

no, it's not clickbait, why do people keep misunderstanding the term clickbait?

clickbait is the use of misleading or sensationalist tactics to get you to click on something you would otherwise ignore

Please don't be a dictionary for us!

The beginning of this post is nothing more than clickbait as it infers we need to read the FSElite review to see how were are all supposed to be disappointed the same as they are!

 

Just now, tpete61 said:

Please don't be a dictionary for us!

The beginning of this post is nothing more than clickbait as it infers we need to read the FSElite review to see how were are all supposed to be disappointed the same as they are!

 

you said the review is clickbait, not the first post in this thread

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

Just for this disrespectful statement, people should request refunds left and right and stop buying this software. This is the only way to get their attention! HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS AND SEE HOW QUICKLY THEY TURN AROUND!

Microsoft is a very large company.

Asking for a refund for this game would have negligible impact to there bottom line!

Dear David,

Your opinions are valid, particularly on your complaints about key bindings and control set ups. I spent over 20 years developing for various iterations of FS. I have to say the current control system is utterly ridiculous, but I should have found it easy. It is just about the most unintuitive system for any sim ever. It constantly trips you up if you don't do EXACTLY what is required, but what is required is cryptic and absurdly complex for something which should be straight forward.

The standard response from those who happen to find things easier is that one is reluctant to accept change. But I see change for the sake of change. If a system to navigate controls (which is complex enough) is replace by something even more complex then it is overkill.

If you need three layers of control headings to make things work it is a design failure. It is needlessly convoluted. So for me it is not a reluctance to change. It is just plain silly.

But now on to graphics. Despite the glowing reviews of the visuals, I find them no real improvement. The ground is dark compared to the sky which is grossly over-exposed, and the depiction of the sun as a giant blinding super-orb doesn't help. This was clearly designed as a view from a camera rather than eyes, forgetting that contemporary cameras can actually see through the glare very well. It is as if someone at Asobo said, "the sun is very very bright, so we're going to make it so bright that it blots out everything around it for a quarter of the sky".

If I adjust the exposure so the exterior looks ok then the interior looks also washed out. After hours of tweaking I simply cannot get a bright, clear, in focus cockpit or displays for the vast majority of aircraft.

If you take away the high detail in IDEAL conditions in MS2024, the reality is (for me) a somewhat blurred landscape, constantly stuttering and smudging depending on streaming efficiency, whereas in FS2020, at least what I see is reliably sharp and in focus, and the lighting and colours are more consistent.

So overall, even though I really wanted Fs2024 to be so much better - it isn't. I think there is something of the Emperor's new clothes going on. Some people are looking at it and willing themselves to believe it is better. I don't believe it is.

All the best,

Robert

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by robert young

14 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

Microsoft is a very large company.

Asking for a refund for this game would have negligible impact to there bottom line!

When you spend time and resources on any project, regardless of the company size, there is definitely an impact that triggers inquiries when people request their money back. Due to this mentality, we arrived at this problem and told them it is okay to have this unacceptable behavior. Since they often take our money, we expect high-quality products in return.

6 hours ago, Langeveldt said:

Why do I have to stream literally everything?

You purchased 2024 with a question like that?

3 hours ago, psolk said:

Or simply the fact that the last mile is out of their control and very dependent upon ISP as well.

That would not affect MSFS 2024 only. You have not provided a good explanation, why MSFS 2024 would be affected of streaming bottlenecks only.

I stil can't see any other reason than overwhelming success. Even the perceived quality reduction during the weekend points in that direction (more users -> pronounced streaming problems). Think about it.

 

3 hours ago, psolk said:

The sheer amount of data/detail they are trying to stream in real time is actually mind blowing when I stop and think about it. 

Once you use the local storage for addons and world updates, MSFS 2024 streams very likely not a lot more data than 2020. Bulk is (and was in MSFS 2020) aerial imagery. The rest is peanuts.

19 minutes ago, fsiscool said:

I stil can't see any other reason than overwhelming success. Even the perceived quality reduction during the weekend points in that direction (more users -> pronounced streaming problems). Think about it.

It hasn't... There are a number of threads of FS2020 issues this past week as well.   I thought about it and can list a plethora of reasons people are having issues still that are other than it being an overwhelming success but if that is your only conclusion then so be it...  That's your belief and your entitled to it by all means. 

It seems to counter what MS said that they were at 5 9's capacity for their entire user base.  It's also absurd to think MSFS is SOOOO popular it is overwhelming Azure so if the infrastructure can scale then it shouldn't be an issue (like they said it wasn't after the original release)     

But ok, I also guess all of the bugs and OP's frustrations and the users still logging issues are all due to overwhelming success?  I mean that's like 1+3=1024  

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by psolk

2 hours ago, robert young said:

I think there is something of the Emperor's new clothes going on. Some people are looking at it and willing themselves to believe it is better. I don't believe it is.

I find this sentence baffling.  Maybe your system isn't showing you what I see through mine, but the visual change is amazing here.  Are you using HDR?  I am and the brightness is more realistic to the real sky for me.  The large increase in ground resolution is producing terrain that isn't flat and greatly increasing the aircrafts interaction with the ground, as well as producing subtle shadows that aren't there in 2020.

I spent hours upon hours in 2020 to try and get the colours looking better, but was never totally happy - that horrible lime green everywhere!  In 2024 I haven't had to adjust anything as the lighting and colours look right from first load.

I see many of the bugs people describe, but your description of little change in graphics quality in 2024 is quite bizarre.

My short frustration and rant.  "When the world gives you lemons, make lemonade". 

Rant:  I'm getting tired of all this lemonade.

7 hours ago, David Roch said:

But we're addicted to new features and once we've tried them we don't want to go back, so most of us will gradually drop MSFS 2020 to migrate to 2024.
And we'll accept like good sheep the dance of the multiple "2 steps forward, 3 steps back" that MS and Asobo are preparing for us for the next four years.

Or.......and I'm more than prepared for the bombardment of 'why are you trying to silence criticism!' reactions from the usual many.....you could just continue using 2020 where you feel comfortable or find another of the many sim options out there that don't ask you to be a good dancing sheep.....?

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7 hours ago, David Roch said:

MSFS is like a sandcastle that children patiently build and then break without the slightest regret once finished, to rebuild another one.
Everything that had been patiently fixed and improved during the 4 years of MSFS 2020's life has been destroyed and redone.
GUI, controller assignments, weather, ATC, AI aircraft, autogen etc...
Why?
For better smoothness? This is not the case.
For better streaming? Oh no more.
For better rendering of photogrammetric textures? It's the opposite that happens.
For a better user experience? No, there is nothing intuitive or very logical in this new version.
For the graphic quality? Only for what concerns lighting and shadows, which are more beautiful but which could have been the subject of a simple patch and not a new version.

The problem is that when you change everything you do the same stupid things again, and it takes time to fix them all.
Now we'll have to wait 4 years for everything to work properly and then they'll do it all over again.
But we're addicted to new features and once we've tried them we don't want to go back, so most of us will gradually drop MSFS 2020 to migrate to 2024.
And we'll accept like good sheep the dance of the multiple "2 steps forward, 3 steps back" that MS and Asobo are preparing for us for the next four years.

Oh my...
My wife says I've become grumpy since I stopped flying, I think she's right!! 😄

Thanks for sharing your emotions and views! A part of me can actually see this exactly like you have written and a part of me gets attracted to the new lighting engine of msfs 2024 and the to me more life looking vegetation (Flora) of the world. 

But yes......so much need to be done "again" to get to the stability and CtD free experience......and that seems to be a lot. 

I do hope that the lessons learned by Asobo at 2020 help them to speed up and get rid of many bugs much quicker compared to 2020. 

But that's just a hope.....

2 hours ago, robert young said:

But now on to graphics. Despite the glowing reviews of the visuals, I find them no real improvement. The ground is dark compared to the sky which is grossly over-exposed, and the depiction of the sun as a giant blinding super-orb doesn't help. This was clearly designed as a view from a camera rather than eyes, forgetting that contemporary cameras can actually see through the glare very well. It is as if someone at Asobo said, "the sun is very very bright, so we're going to make it so bright that it blots out everything around it for a quarter of the sky".

I find exactly the opposite. The sun effect means that finally we have sun the behaves like sun to the human eye, and not a super camera able to filter out its bloom. If someone did actually say at Adobe that the sun is very very bright and washes out everything around it, they were exactly right. 

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