I'm honestly beginning to wonder if Microsoft purposely built roadblocks into FS2024 to delay third-party developers from entering the marketplace right away.  As such, compatibility issues with third-party addons enhance the appeal and viability of Microsoft's own default aircraft in FS2024, which obviously provides more incentive for people to purchase the more expensive 'Deluxe' or 'Aviator' editions of FS2024.  The higher price points of the different enhanced versions of FS2024 of course come with substantially more default aircraft and helicopters. 

There would not be a lot of incentive for individuals who have already invested very substantial amounts of money purchasing addons for FS2020 to purchase enhanced editions of FS2024 if such addons were immediately compatible with FS2024 right away.  As we all know of course, third-party addons are typically vastly superior to MSFS default aircraft. 

Someone like me laughs at the prospect of paying $300 for a chance to fly a larger array of default Microsoft aircraft in the sim, and yet people DO pay an exorbitant amount of money to do just that. 

Greed drives MSFS from the perspective of Microsoft; always has and always will. 

 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by JillStanton

I decided to uninstall FS20 because it would be too hard to live with 2 flight sims full of bugs.

52 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Dude…..

Again, disagreement is genuine and not a conspiracy of a covert few trying to silence or cancel you.

Dude....

Take my entire post in context...  I was simply making a prediction that numerous people seemed to have agreed with about what was going to happen based on the original post.   I have respected everyone's right to say what they like and if you look at the course of this thread exactly what I said would happen has happened by a very vocal minority despite the OP just wanting to commiserate and finding a lot of others who felt the same. I didn't go to poo poo on anyone's party or hijack a thread or any of that nonsense so what is your issue?   That I actually called out what was going to happen and agreed with the OP's sentiment while here we are 6 pages later and people joining just to tell him he is wrong for what he thinks.  Sort of like you had an issue with when I did it a thread where someone was talking about how happy they were and you were correct it was inappropriate.  Now here it is reversed.  Someone expresses their displeasure and gets bombarded with how they are the issue for their expectations...  You can't have it both ways.  

If you have such a problem with my posts ignore me...  I don't see what your issue is in this instance whereas the other night you were completely justified in this case I wholeheartedly disagree and if you have such issue with my posts then simply ignore me at this point or I will do the reciprocal as to stop meeting like this.  

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by psolk

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You will have to ask them, I guess. 😉

I’ve got a two month old  build with 4TB of M2 storage. I deleted 2020 the day before release of 2024 as I didn’t want any possible interference between the two and I assumed I’d be filling up all that storage with 2024 stuff as it was going to be available quickly.

Big lol.

Last Wednesday, after an increasing level of frustration with the latest and greatest I reinstalled 2020. It took around 14 hours on my no frills internet connection. I flew my PMDG 737 once and I haven’t touched my 2020 install since.

For me, for all it’s warts - and be sure there’s a great deal that needs fixing - 2024 is just on another level and can only get better and better.

Obviously, everyones mileage will vary but now I’ve got 2020 back up and running I don’t have any particular urge to use it whilst there’s so much good stuff to absorb in 2024.

27 minutes ago, psolk said:

Dude....

Take my entire post in context...  I was simply making a prediction that numerous people seemed to have agreed with about what was going to happen based on the original post.   I have respected everyone's right to say what they like and if you look at the course of this thread exactly what I said would happen has happened by a very vocal minority despite the OP just wanting to commiserate and finding a lot of others who felt the same. I didn't go to poo poo on anyone's party or hijack a thread or any of that nonsense so what is your issue?   That I actually called out what was going to happen and agreed with the OP's sentiment while here we are 6 pages later and people joining just to tell him he is wrong for what he thinks.  Sort of like you had an issue with when I did it a thread where someone was talking about how happy they were and you were correct it was inappropriate.  Now here it is reversed.  Someone expresses their displeasure and gets bombarded with how they are the issue for their expectations...  You can't have it both ways.  

If you have such a problem with my posts ignore me...  I don't see what your issue is in this instance whereas the other night you were completely justified in this case I wholeheartedly disagree and if you have such issue with my posts then simply ignore me at this point or I will do the reciprocal as to stop meeting like this.  

I would just ignore him. He clearly has drunk the Kool-Aid. 

1 hour ago, psolk said:

Now here it is reversed.  Someone expresses their displeasure and gets bombarded with how they are the issue for their expectations...  You can't have it both ways. 

Fair point.

32 minutes ago, RobJC said:

I would just ignore him. He clearly has drunk the Kool-Aid. 

Bootlicker, Kool-Aid drinker, in denial, water off a duck's back mate.

There are absolutely some issues with 2024.  But I truly believe many are upset just because things changed from 2020.  Day 1 of 2024 sucked... it didn't work for anyone (maybe a few).  But day 2 was much improved and week 1 is much more improved (from server point of view).  There are some awesome changes in 2024 and I've already had a few really nice flights in multiple aircraft!   

With these HOST of changes in 2024 - NO ONE should work for free.  And also I highly doubt it would be so simple to just do some minor work to implement this stuff into 2020.  With 2020 we had 4 years (ok 3 lol the first year was rough) of free content updates...  MASSIVE content updates, incredible new DEFAULT avionics, new flight physics etc.  Everyone wants stuff for free!  It's not possible, and it would kill MSFS development.

That all aside, Microsoft needs to make this right.  I honestly believe some small incentive for the completely broken aircraft/server issues for those still suffering would be in order (maybe a small Marketplace credit or something based on what level of sim you purchased).  Let's see what the upcoming large patch fixes.  I read on the main forums that Carenado did NOT release their planes broken like this.  They were working internally.  I've talked to a few devs and they're just as frustrated as we all are.  Their aircraft are inop most likely due to the new streaming nature of the sim.  

I don't care in the least about gamey walk-arounds in wavy grass and trees, or the glitchy career mode, and the cold and dark walk around requirement screams "this for Xbox gamers". I know that to survive they need to have more appeal to the gamer, but unfortunately they put the gamer way up front, and in the process got in the way of the simmer, big time. Despite some regressions, in the 2024 videos I have seen, the night lighting, textures, overall scenery, flight dynamics, and flight planner in 2024 look like improvements over 2020. I'm looking forward to using it in the future.

Edited December 4, 20241 yr by desbean

1 hour ago, JillStanton said:

I'm honestly beginning to wonder if Microsoft purposely built roadblocks into FS2024 to delay third-party developers from entering the marketplace right away. 

 

That's plausible and wouldn't be impossible. Some of their airplanes are well-designed, but unfortunately, most are far from what they should be, even with the new "flight physics."
In the end, it is just marketing, and they are quite lucky to have people who do not know better and who still believe in flying an airplane from a passenger seat or even outside the airplane. This is not the purpose of a flight simulator/game, whatever we want to call it.

11 hours ago, psolk said:

There is no room for civil discussion

Agree, what I find confusing from the “great defenders of MSFS” is why?  So long as the feedback is accurate why take opposition?  Not everything is “subjective” nor “opinion”.  There are plenty of real issues that have been presented and the responses from the folks that don’t seem to want to hear or see anything negative is usually a campaign against character, just being rude, making lame wise cracks, or attempting to shut the thread down with deliberate diversion.

I recall P3D, has/had plenty of issues, just as XP has/had plenty of issues, MSFS is no different with the list of issues.  

For some of us 4 years and baby steps and we’ll be long since dead and buried until we get to a simulator that meets expectations.  I think FSX/P3D/XP have done their best, but they also set the bar low and many have accepted a low bar.  Changes in P3D were small and incremental and released about every 18 months or so.  The changes to MSFS 2020 to 2024 are also very small and incremental but the release schedule is now 4 years?!

Some look at MSFS 2020 as if development only started when it was announced and ignored the 3+ years of development prior to MSFS 2020 release.  Flying around in MSFS 2024 and seeing my GPU only at 40% utilization is disappointing to say the least … visuals and performance are tied completely to bandwidth and server loads … according to filemon the cache is barely being utilized.  This is NOT going in the right direction for what I want, I don’t do consoles and I’m interested in owning my software not renting it and I sure as heck don’t want to keep downloading the same scenery over and over just because the cache was cleared and it’s been a week since I flew in the same location.  It may make financial sense to MS/Asobo, but make zero sense to me being the customer.

I’m seeing a repeated patterns where the “customer” pays but owns nothing … and more importantly NOT provided an option to own.  If someone wants to venture down the road of Tyranny, there you have it … a financial model with little or no interest in customer choice.

Edited December 4, 20241 yr by CO2Neutral

Actually, I think Asobo has a wicked sense of humor, which should not be lost here.

For instance: in FS 2020, a bug report was submitted that the blue taxiway lights are too bright, which makes them visible from 35,000 feet.

In FS 2024, Asobo, said, oh yeah? Hold my beer and made them 100 times brighter, and now they are now visible from Jupiter!

Come on guys, if that's not hilarious, I don't know what is!

Edited December 4, 20241 yr by Mike T

2 minutes ago, Mike T said:

FS 2024, Asobo, said, oh yeah? Hold my beer and made them 100 times brighter, and now they are now visible from Jupiter!

You didn’t get the latest add-on to fix it … LSD add-on for $20 … but doesn’t come with warranty and is subscription based.

4 minutes ago, Mike T said:

Actually, I think Asobo has a wicked sense of humor, which should not be lost here.

For instance: in FS 2020, a bug report was submitted that the blue taxiway lights are too bright, which makes them visible from 35,000 feet.

In FS 2024, Asobo, said, oh yeah? Hold my beer and made them 100 times brighter, and now they are now visible from Jupiter!

Come on guys, if that's not hilarious, I don't know what is!

 I had a chuckle and about spit out my coffee when I saw that they "patched" the tobii eye tracking so that the game would not crash when entering the tobii controller adjustment screen. Well, it doesn't crash anymore when entering the adjustment screen. But - you get to the screen and there's nothing to adjust LOL. Another joke!

6 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I find this sentence baffling.  Maybe your system isn't showing you what I see through mine, but the visual change is amazing here.  Are you using HDR?  I am and the brightness is more realistic to the real sky for me.  The large increase in ground resolution is producing terrain that isn't flat and greatly increasing the aircrafts interaction with the ground, as well as producing subtle shadows that aren't there in 2020.

I spent hours upon hours in 2020 to try and get the colours looking better, but was never totally happy - that horrible lime green everywhere!  In 2024 I haven't had to adjust anything as the lighting and colours look right from first load.

I see many of the bugs people describe, but your description of little change in graphics quality in 2024 is quite bizarre.

I think you might have hit upon something here, I am willing to bet that a large number of approval posts are from people who have HDR-enabled monitors. I do not and nor do lots of users. I would guess the image improves a lot. In Fs2020 you have access to the full suite of Nvidia filters and those have become essential for me, together with various Reshade tweaks including Fake HDR which works fairly close to real HDR if you tune it well. However some of the gauge/cockpit displays in FS2024 look to me to be decidedly uncrisp and rather dull.

The sun is enormous. To me ridiculously so. When I look (briefly) at the real sun it does not overwhelm the sky, clouds or inline objects around it.