11 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Try if you can to have a discussion without being dramatic. By the same token, I can say it's incredible how you are quick to dump on developers whome you have a history of not liking or have an axe to grind with 🙂 The developers end up doing what the majority of the market is ok with, and perhaps what the majority of the market is ok with is what you're not happy about 🤷‍♂️

Just because I'm not constantly whining about developers like you and some others doesn't mean I'm "excusing so many bugs at the release date". I'm pragmatic, and will jump in to adopt a flight sim platform or add-on when and if it's ready enough for what I consider useful.

I forgot you can't have an honest discussion either.
 

Interestingly, when someone points out bugs and criticizes a developer, they are labeled as "dramatic" or "whining." Unfortunately, this market has recently been flooded with products that have many bugs. Some people refuse to acknowledge the issues and insist on their pragmatism. While everyone is entitled to their opinions, others do not ignore bugs or poor practices and voice their valid concerns.

24 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Interestingly, when someone points out bugs and criticizes a developer, they are labeled as "dramatic" or "whining." Unfortunately, this market has recently been flooded with products that have many bugs. Some people refuse to acknowledge the issues and insist on their pragmatism. While everyone is entitled to their opinions, others do not ignore bugs or poor practices and voice their valid concerns.

So true. There's an awful lot of defending the developer and attacking the user going on. In my opinion, that only makes it worse and normalises the whole "we'll release it now to get the money in and then you may get a usable product in 4-6 months". 

You have products that are true pieces of art - yes, I'll refer to the Fenix. I got it on release, it had a couple of bugs but the big ones got fixed immediately and nowadays (even with the 319/321 expansion) their bugfixes are things like "changed colour of that tiny screw at the top of the overhead panel" and not major stuff.

Others are clearly labelled as Early Access / Experimental - BATC comes to mind. I am not happy with their latest Experimental build and have a ton of issues but went back to EA and that's fine. I also know it's EA so I'm not going to hold that against them, I knew what I was getting into.

I'm actually extremely upset with the ini A350 and regret buying it. It has show/sim stopping bugs. The flight model feels totally off and it encourages PIO on approach. It randomly pitches up on its own after rotation. Ground handling is a total joke.

But most importantly, WASM issues make it unflyable for me because I just don't want to waste hours of my time to have my aircraft freeze completely 100nm from my destination. It's definitely not polished enough and the fact they sold this as a release version product at the price they did is completely out of whack with what was delivered to us.

We're more than 2 weeks in and the most glaring issue - WASM - is nowhere near fixed. Their forums are flooded with WASM crash reports. Their communication isn't great either. Given the scale of the issue and how much this was hyped, I actually think a public apology would be appropriate, along the lines of "We're truly sorry, this is not the standard we hold ourselves to and here's a bit more detail on what actually went wrong. We're working to fix it as fast as we can, there'll be more frequent hotfixes and we aim to have this all ironed out in the next 4 weeks. Here's a bit of a roadmap". I am realistic enough to not expect any compensation or store credit for this shambolic release...

But instead there's nothing, their 1.0.2 changelog was a joke, they hailed it as "squashed a lot of WASM bugs" and instead it seems to actually have made things worse. A lot of their official responses on things like Sounds and Flight Model also read like "thanks for your feedback. you're wrong because pilots told us it's like that but maybe we'll add an option for you to have a less realistic soundset/flight model".

No, no, no - if the real A350 hand flew like this we'd have crashes every day. I'm not a real pilot but I have simmed long enough and flown real Level D Airbus sims to know that there is no way a real aircraft behaves like that on final approach. Just look at the nosewheel steering - it's instant. This isn't Mario Kart, it's a flight sim and there's things like inertia. Fenix and PMDG got it right and they cost less.

Just not good enough and I don't see how anyone can blame the user here. This is 100% down to ini overpromising, underdelivering and now seemingly having no clue how to provide us with an aircraft that doesn't freeze randomly half the time when I dare to interact with it.

Edited March 11, 20251 yr by Speedbird 217

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

Interestingly, when someone points out bugs and criticizes a developer, they are labeled as "dramatic" or "whining." Unfortunately, this market has recently been flooded with products that have many bugs. Some people refuse to acknowledge the issues and insist on their pragmatism. While everyone is entitled to their opinions, others do not ignore bugs or poor practices and voice their valid concerns.

The A350 clearly has a lot of bugs and complaining is absolutely ok in my opinion. But every so often complains are presented in a very dramatic form. 🙂 Most prominent example in this thread is it's title. Talking about "catastrophic as never seen before" is just a little bit silly.

1 hour ago, mrlip said:

No I’ve used all of those pages you mention and not had any WASM crashes. There is a hotfix coming today. 

Do you use Navigraph?

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Are those without issue people that just enter the flightplan and basic stuff and then never touch the FMC again? Since basically any page outside of the INIT and FPLN pages can lead to WASM crashes, I just think the reason that some people do 20 flights without having a single WASM crash because they are simming very differently (casually if you will). I‘ve had WASM crashes in 75% of my A350 flights, FIX INFO, SURV, NAV RAD, SEC FPLN all of those are (or at least were) bound to crash the WASM sooner or later.

maybe you should have asked if those that are having  issues are they using  msfs2020 or 2024, since as stated above i have never had any issues with  the msfs2024 version and have been using every option in the fmc during the flight . The only issue i had  was using  the msfs2020 version  when some of  the buttons  froze on the mcp control panel

15 hours ago, mpo910 said:

Thanks for sharing. Did you use TCAS on and injected traffic? I have read TCAS is one of the reasons people have freezing gauges...

 

Yes I had TCAS on and was using BATC on all flights. While I am not a real life pilot I try to conduct every flight with as much realism as I can, I use the MCDU constantly throughout the flight as I do with every airliner I fly. I am on MSFS 2020 so not sure if that is helping with my situation.

Edited March 11, 20251 yr by RJC68

1 hour ago, crimplene said:

Most prominent example in this thread is it's title. Talking about "catastrophic as never seen before" is just a little bit silly.

Given the price, promises, marketing, etc., I have never seen a worse addon aircraft release in any simulator as it relates to crash and bug issues.  Can you name one?  If not, then what you quoted is what we call a true statement.

1 hour ago, crimplene said:

The A350 clearly has a lot of bugs and complaining is absolutely ok in my opinion. But every so often complains are presented in a very dramatic form. 🙂 Most prominent example in this thread is it's title. Talking about "catastrophic as never seen before" is just a little bit silly.

It's funny, but it seems pretty pompous, in my humble opinion. That's what happens when the market becomes saturated with buggy software. We all seem to have forgotten the "catastrophic" release of MSFS2024 and associated comments. 

Edited March 11, 20251 yr by LRBS

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Do you use Navigraph?

Correct

13 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

It's still the most popular aircraft on VATSIM and Volanta almost 2 weeks later.*

I don't think people with the issues are the majority, there's a lot of them I don't deny that I'm on the ini discord, but I don't think they're the majority.

Maybe 50/50

 

 

*Some of those might be Flight Factor A350, can't filter by simulator on SimAware, and I can't figure out the Simulator filter on Volanta

I believe you can do it like this:

 

 

MSFS will show both 2020 and 2024. 

54 minutes ago, rjack1282 said:

Given the price, promises, marketing, etc., I have never seen a worse addon aircraft release in any simulator as it relates to crash and bug issues.  Can you name one?  If not, then what you quoted is what we call a true statement.

There's always an A330 from A.....

23 hours ago, mpo910 said:

I do keep it a bit short:

Initial release - MSFS2020 and MSFS2024 many WASM issues

Update 1.0.1 - Both sims, better then initial release. In my case not a single WASm freeze, made 7 flights all longer then 5 hours spreaded over both sims

Update 1.0.2 - every single time WASM freeze

In my opinion, and as a professional SCRUM Master, this is catastrophic. I see tons of issues reported, not only WASM ctd, but Navigraph integrations issues, GSX issues and so many "standards" not working which should have prorperly tested before release (SEC Flightplans, Checklists, Charts etc.).

@iniBuilds

I did wrote this on your support forum as well, but I think it is time to raise pressure on you, NOT to harm you or be disrespectful, BUT to make my "voice" getting heard 🙂 

And I do hope others join me, because we paid almost EUR 80 for this "state of release".

Currently I tried your latest release.......and it is not usable at my end.

My sims are stable, both...and my issues are 100% A350 related.

Please make a public statement and take reponsibilty AND connect to your customers this way.

Thanks in advance 

I followed all your instructions (WASM clearing, even completely fresh installs A350 AND MSFS2024 as well)

Two flights in MS20 on 1.0.2, both around 7 hour and zero issues. Both online with Vatsim, TCAS traffic showing and no problems. Zero WASM issues since release. 

Edited March 11, 20251 yr by B777ER

3 hours ago, crimplene said:

Most prominent example in this thread is it's title. Talking about "catastrophic as never seen before" is just a little bit silly

The title describes MY opinion about the released product. It was indeed my intention to express myself and make clear to everyone how I see this release and hoping a discussion would come afterwards.

It was my intention to sound (writtenwise) so loud, that inibuilds would wake up and starts listening (and reading - counts for all devs) and act to meet the expectations of a good quality release product.

All this based on MY personal opinion.

What may sound prominent and dramatic to you, did not sound dramatic for me.....;-)

 

Edited March 11, 20251 yr by mpo910

15 minutes ago, B777ER said:

Two flights in MS20 on 1.0.2, both around 7 hour and zero issues. Both online with Vatsim, TCAS traffic showing and no problems. Zero WASM issues since release. 

Thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated!

3 hours ago, crimplene said:

Talking about "catastrophic as never seen before" is just a little bit silly.

I have never seen any other software addon release for MSFS2020 or 2024 wich was so catastrophic as this one and had so many obvious BUGS reported and made a plane for many users unusable (unflyable). 

So my title contains exactly that, what I have experienced myself. Nothing silly in there, just a fact for me.

And again......I see this with my eyes and my experience, you may have a completely other opinion or way of commucating. I do not say a worth about that, you do it your way, I mine and others like they want.

As long as it is respectful its fine.