15 minutes ago, guenseli said:

You talk about premium voices which are optional and no way needed to enjoy BATC.
But you surely know that!

That ... 🤢🤮 ... my ATC toy is better then yours discussion is really hilarious.

Yes. Pay 30 bucks, avoid using all the product features. I paid, the 30 buck and used up all of my gifted premium voices in less than two weeks. Its now been down graded. If I want the same product that I got at $30 then I would have to pay more and continue paying not monthly, not annually but for every word I spoke or ATC spoke, or AI Traffic spoke. Thats the actual product. Thats what you get when you buy it.

I am also a huge supporter of BATC for the right users its designed for and am trying to help in bridging the whole yours or mine. However, it doesnt help when fellow respected members like yourself and Bob keep bringing up cost with a bias. Add to the fact that with Bob its now not even the price but a feature of not offering the option to use a keyboard to reply to ATC. 

8 minutes ago, Ident said:

My point is that you have on many times made the repeated statement that it cost money. So when I attempted to gift you a version that is free, its now that you dont want to speak to a computer. Fine. However, it seems rather odd that A) you have no problem on spending money to speak to a computer and B) perhaps its time you give up on repeatedly stating how it cost money when it seems thats not whats holding you back from using SI since you now state how you dont want to talk to your computer.

A broader point is just pointing out that you would never use it, you havent used it and so you are making it out to seem as if its a flawed addon due to cost when the fact of the matter seems more in line that you have no idea how good or bad it actually is on value from personal use yet you attempt to muddy the pool for others. That its no better than an Echo and cost money of which BATC does the same thing at a higher price depending on usage. A lot of moot points with bias.

Save it. His trolling is so far advanced, he doesn’t even realize when it’s happening. Logic, reason, and evidence don’t work here. It’s not your job to convince him; if he wants to try it, it’s gotta be his decision. Just like when he started using the iFly…he hated it, then it became his absolute favorite plane. Just let it go. 

3 minutes ago, Ident said:

Yes. Pay 30 bucks, avoid using all the product features. I paid, the 30 buck and used up all of my gifted premium voices in less than two weeks. Its now been down graded. If I want the same product that I got at $30 then I would have to pay more and continue paying not monthly, not annually but for every word I spoke or ATC spoke, or AI Traffic spoke. Thats the actual product. Thats what you get when you buy it.

First, yes, I agree with you. If the BATC basic voices offend one's sense of elegance in BATC you'll need to keep refilling up the meter. They don't offend mine and I still have some credits remaining. I don't look at is as a downgrade and more they are gifting (as you said) a sample of a premium option.

You can however, set it for what uses premium voices. So you can tell the chatty enroute traffic to use the basic, but have ATC and your copilot use premium.

In terms of voice quality, it's kind of a wash for me between SI and BATC. I like the copilot voices better in SI, but I find even with the basic voices I get more variety in ATC comms with basic.

It's crazy that in the SI v BATC war on multiple threads, everyone getting their pitchforks out, the real OG champ flying under the radar, FSHud.  Has been getting me home, separated, injected traffic, intelligently for months now.  Why does nobody talk about it?  Is it because you can't chat up cabin crew or your favourite streamer in Czech?  I am a SI supporter member or whatever they call it, and I wait with baited breath for improvements.  But what do these other platforms offer more in terms of actual flying?  

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by Langeveldt

1 minute ago, Langeveldt said:

Why does nobody talk about it? 

It's an interesting question. To be honest, after BATC came out I kinda forgot I had it.

I haven't flown it in a while. I don't have the upgrade to 2024 so I am going to break out 2020 tonight and give it a go.

I recall that the voices, at least in the early days of v2 were still kinda meh.

However, one point in its favor is it allows me to use some of my defunct call signs like Empire.

With 2024, what is the preferred way to get traffic into FSHUD?

Just now, BrammyH said:

It's an interesting question. To be honest, after BATC came out I kinda forgot I had it.

I haven't flown it in a while. I don't have the upgrade to 2024 so I am going to break out 2020 tonight and give it a go.

I recall that the voices, at least in the early days of v2 were still kinda meh.

However, one point in its favor is it allows me to use some of my defunct call signs like Empire.

With 2024, what is the preferred way to get traffic into FSHUD?

Has its own injector.  I have AIG models installed, select only that in the options, and leave it.  I like that it relies on sim time and not real world time for scheduling.  

I've not had one flight into terrain, near miss, wonky approach for months now.  Yet nobody talks about it.  

I will say though there has not been an update for a LONG time, and I guess the others will catch up as far as injection and separation are concerned.  

3 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

The vectoring has been greatly improved in the last few weeks of updates....

I think I might agree with that! 

Something I wonder about from using default ATC in 2020 off and on:  does BATC pay attention to where you are?  For example if I leave the sim and miss a call for descend to X altitude, BATC doesn't seem to hound me to hurry up and descend, ever.   And if that failure to descend happens BATC will still act as if I did descend, directing me to turn to heading X to Rwy X intercept, even though I'm now way too high to starting turning towards an intercept.  

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by Noel

18 minutes ago, Langeveldt said:

I've not had one flight into terrain, near miss, wonky approach for months now.  Yet nobody talks about it.  

I agree with this, which is why I use it more than BATC. I guess BATC has done better in terms of marketing… I don’t think as many are aware of FSHud.

What I do not like with FSHud is that the planes simply make a 180 turn at the gate before they start taxiing. And no jetway connection neither. Kills the immersion, but some drawback has any AI traffic program atm. Bummer this is so low prio for Asobo (which I still dont get, as it is one of the things they used for marketing). Now MSFS2024 would actually have a good library of good looking AI planes, yet AI Traffic and ATC is a complete mess in the sim. 

47 minutes ago, V1ROTA7E said:

Save it. His trolling is so far advanced, he doesn’t even realize when it’s happening. Logic, reason, and evidence don’t work here. It’s not your job to convince him; if he wants to try it, it’s gotta be his decision. Just like when he started using the iFly…he hated it, then it became his absolute favorite plane. Just let it go. 

I had a problem with the iFly the first day, because I found out later that a feature they had in their owners manual didn't work. But you have to keep bringing that up , over and over again to show how smart you think are. 😁 

13 hours ago, Fielder said:

BATC definitely is not subpar, but neither does it shine. No flight is ever new and there's nothing to get either joyful or angry about. All the flights seem very similar, I barely know it's there.

Bland and boring could well be applied to Radar Contact. It does what it says on the tin as the expression goes.  The interface is nothing to write home about but that’s not the purpose of an ATC program.

Its sole purpose is to instruct you to fly from A to B adhering to ATC procedures and using correct phraseology depending where in the world you’re located.

RC4 does that extremely well. More recent ATC versions appear less successful. Be in no doubt these are the most complex to code. It took a couple of years for RCv4 to be coded, tested and voice sets recorded and edited. In all, a huge undertaking.

If you want an all-singing, all-dancing alternative you’re doomed. The best indication you’re getting during a RC-controlled flight is silence in between instructions. That tells me I’m flying what I’ve filed and climbing and descending as instructed.

Once your chosen ATC program achieves that the author has done his job.

13 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

But you have to keep bringing that up

This is literally the very first time I’ve ever brought this up. Im done with your trolling. Goodbye, Bob.

1 minute ago, V1ROTA7E said:

This is literally the very first time I’ve ever brought this up. Im done with your trolling. Goodbye, Bob.

Don't let the door kick you in the word not allowed on your way out. 😉

BTW the default 2024 ATC is bland and boring like the liveries so it MUST be good.

dd

6 hours ago, mpo910 said:

For you? So you feel entertained? Read my post about how difficult it seem to be for some to share and respect.....

You could ask yourself why you thought that popcorn stand would be making a fortune.....? 

The answer is probably...people like you who feel good about others harsh reactions about other posts....

Watch others instead of use the forum for what it is meant to be...

Share opinions and thoughts, share knowledge....related to flight simulation....and here to BATC. 

 

 

Lighten up, Markus. You're reading way too much in a post that was made tongue-in-cheek.

We live in a world that is going to hell in a hand-basket. Bringing that same intensity to a forum that is dedicated to simming (basically a game) is entirely unnecessary. IMO, naturally.