I don't know what all the whinging is about.  It's not like some of us paid nearly £200 for a really buggy product where even some of the basics are missing or something. 
For me the biggest plus is they said 'the vast majority of 2020 aircraft and addons will work straight out of the box in 2024", and they do.  Oh no... Wait!

1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

They're talking about 2020's roadmap in that sentence.

If you look at the full original quote from the O.P., he is lamenting all the features he says were promised but never came. I pointed out that Seasons (seasonal changes) are, in fact, incorporated in MSFS024, and changes are visible day-to-day (not just the four seasons). 

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

I don't know what all the whinging is about.  It's not like some of us paid nearly £200 for a really buggy product where even some of the basics are missing or something. 
For me the biggest plus is they said 'the vast majority of 2020 aircraft and addons will work straight out of the box in 2024", and they do.  Oh no... Wait!

Yeah, here it is almost 6 months after release, and the PMDG and iFly aircraft still don't work. Fenix says that their aircraft have to work in an "experimental State" with 2024. 

26 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Fenix says that their aircraft have to work in an "experimental State" with 2024. 

and in my experience they work perfectly, exactly the same as they do in 2020.

I'm doing a flight in the A321 right now.

All the addons I used daily in 2020, except the 777, SimFX and Flow, work perfectly fine.

777 works with a workaround, but I can't be arsed to do that every flight so I'm waiting for the free upgrade.

but a single aircraft wasn't enough for me to keep 2020 installed, I uninstalled it after the Fenix got its update and regretted it once.

Edited April 7, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

26 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, here it is almost 6 months after release, and the PMDG and iFly aircraft still don't work. Fenix says that their aircraft have to work in an "experimental State" with 2024. 

I’m guessing the problem lies with an incomplete SDK. That’s vital for developers. If it’s missing vital information or changes with new updates it will be a nightmare for third party developers.

It’s vital a SDK is comprehensive and fixed. Then developers can give users what they desire and would be earning money.

the PMDG 777 2024 update is in beta testing, so it should be coming soon™

Edited April 7, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

Just had a flight from LGTS to LGIR with fenix A320, BATC, Autofps on MSFS 2024 beta ( HDR10). A Perfect smooth and solid flight from the BEST Modern Flight Simulator right now.  I think some users are just trolling and post on purpose so much negativity.

Reminds me a littlle the atmosphere of X-Plane Facebook group pages with every new post , most comments are dedicated to MSFS with so much anger which fits better to Football fans. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

No longer is expecting something to be fully functional at release the norm, now its even asking too much even 6 months after paying good money.

So sad...

Even sadder: people questioning why someone stays with an older sim 🤦🏻‍♂️

44 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m guessing the problem lies with an incomplete SDK. That’s vital for developers. If it’s missing vital information or changes with new updates it will be a nightmare for third party developers.

It’s vital a SDK is comprehensive and fixed. Then developers can give users what they desire and would be earning money.

 

Not for Fenix, they haven't said anything about the SDK being incomplete. For PMDG there were initial SDK bugs/incompleteness for specific code routes that PMDG uses, namely in WASM, but that's fixed for a while now.

Fenix simply put out an initial/early 2024 version which they didn't feel comfortable in officially supporting (i.e. take support cases for), given that they needed more time to properly port to 2024 and also take advantage of its new capabilities. It just so happens even this early version works rather well currently.

Per their latest blog https://fenixsim.com/blog/ the official 2024 version is coming in their next update. Aamir talked about some of the 2024 specific features:

"MSFS 2024 customers - this update brings us the first official compatibility patch. We have now rebuilt the project for 2024, harnessing the new Modular SimObject system and converting our library of over 700 liveries, too. Further, we've included full walk-around mode support, including new external panels you'll want to see and play with. All fully functional and hooked up to the systems. If you'd like to swing the gear doors open, feel free to walk over - unlatch the panel, and yoink the lever. Or if you want to open the cargo doors, you can do that yourself in walkaround mode now too.

A bit deeper, but the refuelling panel is now also functional and present. Pay attention to the various limitations of what you're messing with though, as is the way with these things and Fenix airplanes, things that seem like bugs may not be. A good example, do make sure the 320 is on level ground - a bit of uneven ground where you're parked may make refuelling slightly problematic. And uhh, if you put the chocks in, please make sure you chock in the right direction. Nothing more embarrassing than a chocked airplane rolling away from you because of an incline on the wrong side of the tyre"

Edited April 7, 20251 yr by lwt1971

On 4/6/2025 at 1:42 AM, Greazer said:

Once upon a time there was light in the life, now there's just a sim in the dark.  Nothing I can say, a total eclipse of the Sim.

Once upon a time, they promised Better ATC, a Weather Radar, FSR3, Seasons.  It all never came.  They promised Sim Update 16. Now Cancelled!  The whole FS2020 Roadmap Gone! and Replaced with a Cloud Streaming Game Roadmap!  😡

So real simmers are back in the dark FSX days, where no updates are coming.  Unless you want to join Beta Testing for the cloud streaming Game!

But I guess we can look forward to the day it comes to Playstation 5 and Switch 2 consoles 🥵

 

"The sky is falling...! The sky is falling...!"

- Chicken Little

You're imagining some illusory fork in the road where v2020 is a "Real Mans" Sim, and v2024 is just for kiddies on consoles. Nothing could be further from the truth.

v2024 is built on v2020 code, so whatever it is you like to do now, you can do in v2024. I know, because I play v2024 just like I did v2020.

YES - it's annoying to NEED an internet connection, but then, I NEED an internet connection for pretty much anything that doesn't involve putting on my shoes and leaving the house.

And I gotta tell ya, after quite a few hours spent this weekend juggling 3rd Party scenery and airplanes on another "fully installed" simulator, I kinda didn't mind sipping a drink while waiting 2 mins for today's aircraft and world regional scenery to automatically make itself available on my copy of v2024.

 

 

On 4/6/2025 at 5:05 AM, Bobsk8 said:

Give it another 6 months, and there is a chance that 2024 will be as reliable as 2020. 

I haven't had a single problem with v2024 in months now.

3 hours ago, Noel said:

You missed my point

No, I didn’t. 

On 4/6/2025 at 5:40 AM, Noel said:

You must be referring to the planes not yet compatible because 2024 is certainly stable, w/o crashes or other and performance is very good.

I think business model wise 2024 is kind of an odd direction in some ways.  Others early on said they thought it should have been 'an update' instead of a stand alone platform, which reminds me of P3D's port to 64 bit.  I do wonder if MS has questioned themselves on this now as well because supporting two standalone platforms is certainly more demanding on their end. 

I think (other than the bean counters insistence on a premature holiday release schedule), they're seeing tremendous upside in operational costs.

And anyone who's been around software for awhile is just waiting for the v2020 shoe to drop. It will be stripped down to pure "lights on" maintenance mode, and then eventually be withdrawn entirely. The "when" will only depend on 3rd Party releases, etc.

I could easily see MS giving some sort of incentive / upgrade price once they feel like v2024 is in a solid place - it'll save them tons of dough to sunset v2020.

6 hours ago, CFIJose said:

XP12.2 looking better, but those cockpit textures still look like 2004. I want it to succeed, but I ain't touching it until they update ground textures.

I feel that way from time to time, but then I crank up the AFL King Air 350, the SimCoders Marchetti, the JRX Bell 407, or even some big iron like the FF 757. And once I realize I really have to do "some of that pilot [stuff]", my concerns regarding ground textures simply disappear...

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy the heck out of MSFS - I really do. But it's a different kind of fun.

And just to clarify, YES : MSFS is a sim, not a game. 🤙

Edited April 7, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta

4 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

This is where the consumer stands in 2025, No longer is expecting something to be fully functional at release the norm, now its even asking too much even 6 months after paying good money.

No wonder Devs get away with it.

We're getting far more, far better, and far sooner than at any time in history.

Sounds like Fair Trade to me.