1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, here it is almost 6 months after release, and the PMDG and iFly aircraft still don't work. Fenix says that their aircraft have to work in an "experimental State" with 2024. 

Sigh...iniBuilds, FSR, A2A Sims, Just Flight, MilTech, AzurPoly, Sim Works Studio, India Foxt Echo, Got Friends, BBS/MilViz, etc., etc., etc.

Sounds more like a PMDG/iFly problem than a v2024 problem.

17 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Sigh...iniBuilds, FSR, A2A Sims, Just Flight, MilTech, AzurPoly, Sim Works Studio, India Foxt Echo, Got Friends, BBS/MilViz, etc., etc., etc.

Sounds more like a PMDG/iFly problem than a v2024 problem.

Fly by Wire, Headwind, with not study level but very advanced aircraft for FREE, all working flawlessly in 2024.  

PMDG. great aircraft, but their heads are in the clouds with the new sim.

 

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

Not for Fenix, they haven't said anything about the SDK being incomplete. For PMDG there were initial SDK bugs/incompleteness for specific code routes that PMDG uses, namely in WASM, but that's fixed for a while now.

Okay, fair enough. You’ll know more than I as you have the product. Maybe they were rushing the product out too early. Wouldn’t be the first time that’s happened. 😉

I think incomplete games/sims at release are to be expected.  The price of a game/sim has hardly changed in 20 years. We were paying £50 for Nintendo64 games back then. Prices have hardly moved but complexity and cost have risen substantially.  Yes I know there are higher priced variants of msfs but the core main sim, which most buy, is still not much higher than we paid 20 years ago for FSX.

I guess they have a choice. Bump up prices substantially or fix forward after release.

Edited April 7, 20251 yr by sanh

1 hour ago, Langeveldt said:

Fly by Wire, Headwind, with not study level but very advanced aircraft for FREE, all working flawlessly in 2024.  

PMDG. great aircraft, but their heads are in the clouds with the new sim.

 

I wouldn't say flawlessly with the FBW, occasionally the EFB won't respond to clicks.

At least on the A380 not sure about the A320Neo I don't use it, I'm happy with the ini one.

7 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

This is where the consumer stands in 2025, No longer is expecting something to be fully functional at release the norm, now its even asking too much even 6 months after paying good money.

No wonder Devs get away with it.

Well, from your answer, I conclude that you are not a developer. I can assure you there is no such thing as a perfect release when it comes to software. In the case of MSFS it is even crazy to think that after 6 months of its release it should be 100% complete.

Do you realize (nahh, I guess you don't) the amount of work it takes to create such a complicated piece of software and then having to deal with such demanding community in which each and everyone of us have our own requirements. 

"No wonder Devs get away with it" 

Not really, if it boils down to that, it is the publisher that gets away with it, us developers are the ones that do the legwork and put up with your demands.

Edited April 7, 20251 yr by CarlosF

Yeah, I'm not 100% blaming Asobo here, I think Microsoft is the one who wanted it out.

Which is funny, considering they delayed Starfield after after buying Bethesda because they thought it needed more time.

13 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Yeah, I'm not 100% blaming Asobo here, I think Microsoft is the one who wanted it out.

Asobo dropped the ball....simple.  They knew it had to release in 2024, hell, it has 2024 in the name.  They should have did WHATEVER it took to get it out and in a great playable state in 2024.

Microsoft should be PO'd at Asobo for tarnishing their name with the state it was given to MS to release.

Edited April 7, 20251 yr by Blueline308

20 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

6 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

This is where the consumer stands in 2025, No longer is expecting something to be fully functional at release the norm, now its even asking too much even 6 months after paying good money.

No wonder Devs get away with it.

Well, from your answer, I conclude that you are not a developer.

He is a complainer, with seemingly little idea how complex software like MSFS is.  In his mind, MSFS is NEVER going to be perfect, regardless what is done to it.

12 minutes ago, Blueline308 said:

Asobo dropped the ball....simple.  They knew it had to release in 2024, hell, it has 2024 in the name.  They should have did WHATEVER it took to get it out and in a great playable state in 2024.

Microsoft should be PO'd at Asobo for tarnishing their name with the state it was given to MS to release.

You believe MS didn't know the state of the sim at launch time?  That seems pretty implausible for an entire new release to not have the company paying for it know its state.  Or perhaps you believe Asobo intentionally or accidently misled MS?  Sounds pretty implausible since 'Asobo' is not one thing it's a big cluster of folks and hard to believe no one communicated w/ MS overseers, Jorg for example.

Most airplanes I fly 2024 are my favorites from 2020 . They either have dedicated version or compatibility patch. I'm pretty sure PMDG fleet and iFly will tag along soon.

2024 has a lot of unexplored potential that, we will eventually see as developer will see when developer get grasp on SDK. I feel right now we are still in an experimental phase of 2020 products adaptation to 2024.

I just flew IRL as pax. Before boarding I was watching first officer pre-flying 737 outside. And some people call spawning next to airplane arcadish! LOL I can't wait A2A  Aerostar because I believe that simulation depth of prefiling airplane will be absolute hardcore! LOL And those who fly IRL do know importance of proper preflight -arcade is when you start flight in the cockpit !!! LOL

By the way latest Inbuild patch for 350 includes "remove before flight covers". Forget to remove them and see what happens in the cockpit ! 🙂 

14 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Fenix says that their aircraft have to work in an "experimental State" with 2024.

yep true not  a big of a deal, just to add  there  is  another update  to the fenix

Edited April 8, 20251 yr by pete_auau

12 hours ago, sanh said:

I think incomplete games/sims at release are to be expected.  The price of a game/sim has hardly changed in 20 years. We were paying £50 for Nintendo64 games back then. Prices have hardly moved but complexity and cost have risen substantially.  Yes I know there are higher priced variants of msfs but the core main sim, which most buy, is still not much higher than we paid 20 years ago for FSX.

I guess they have a choice. Bump up prices substantially or fix forward after release.

No, you are completely neglecting the fact that the number of copies sold and the industry revenues have increased enormously.

20 years ago there were less than 1 billion videogame users and no ancillary sources of revenue; now more than 3 billion gamers plus marketplaces, microtransactions etc., that in the lifespan of a videogame amount for more revenues than its sales.

Incomplete games/sims at release are merely due to deadlines and focus on profit rather than releasing something good. After we call it an industry, not an art.

We all know that msfs24 was not ready at launch date. They had to release it at that date for the Xmas sales period!

I bought it the first week but like many others, I still use msfs more than msfs24. Do I regret my purchase? no.

It will take time, just like msfs needed time to be reliable. I have faith msfs24 will be a great sim in a year or two. And most of us will have switched to it at that time.

Then guess what? msfs28 or msfs29 will be released, will be a pain, everybody will complain that it was not ready and claim that they will stay on msfs24. Wanna bet?

I always find it funny when Greazer says the most ridiculous thing and then never makes another post in the thread. Yet somehow the threads always end up 5-10 pages where the same arguments are rehashed from just a few days ago. 
 

I mean the whole situation is a dead horse and yet there’s somehow still more to argue on it.