27 minutes ago, psolk said:

People who are getting something for free should stop whining because they didn't get their free toy before people willing to pay for a NEW toy. 

your completely wrong!

When purchasing the -300 in 2020 it was noted it would be a FREE update for 2024!

I don't know what your talking about as far as name calling goes!

Do you work for PMDG, it seems so in most of your posts.

I simply making a valid observation sir.

 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by tpete61

1 minute ago, edu2703 said:

Back in P3D, people were forced to buy a $140 bundle of 2-3 variants, when most of them were only going to fly one. Now that PMDG has given people the opportunity to buy each variant separately, people are still complaining, irrationally demanding that PMDG sell the bundle again for the price of one.

Treating the 200ER as just a ''shortened 300ER'' is a simplistic and erroneous view. The 200ER has three engine variants, a smaller wing and a different landing gear system than the 300ER, which increases the complexity of making custom fuel calculations for each variant and also new aerodynamic calculations based on these differences.

The difference between the 200ER and the 300ER is much greater than the difference between the A350-900 and the A350-1000 for example. The A350-1000 is just the stretched A350-900 with an extra pair of wheels on the landing gear and that's it.

A valid point - But we have the 777 in at least 4 variations now.

And the A350 is shipped with both the 900-1000 in one package.

I think its a little over the top for me but every one should grab what it needs 🙂

Michael Moe

4 minutes ago, edu2703 said:

Treating the 200ER as just a ''shortened 300ER'' is a simplistic and erroneous view. The 200ER has three engine variants, a smaller wing and a different landing gear system than the 300ER, which increases the complexity of making custom fuel calculations for each variant and also new aerodynamic calculations based on these differences.

Not really.

Looking at it from a different perspective one could believe that a very large amount of the work done is duplicative!

 

2 hours ago, LRBS said:

So this FBY and speed trim is identical in any 777. The real negligible difference is on the 300S, where you get on the ND the camera, length, and minor speed differences. They handle pretty much the same. PMDG did a nice job with the trim speed feature, but the implementation is incorrect; there are up and down visible oscillations, sometimes unstable characteristics that in the real airplane are not present. Actually, this airplane is very stable. In this airplane, trimming up/down should be like any other airplane and not result in any bobbing up/down afterwards. Yes, the system, behind the scenes, will do that to establish that regime, but you don't see it or feel it. P3D, MSFS2020 got the same issue carried over. It's somebody's wrong interpretation. It is more pronounced if you hand fly with multiple configuration changes. If I'm not mistaken, some old CBTs on YouTube explain how this works. 

That's exactly my experience... the P3D version had a very - IMHO - strange feel and I wasn't the only one bringing it up back in the day. It was nearly impossible to trim the aircraft correctly "by feel" without resorting to the speed trim indicator, and even then it felt weird (as in unstable). In the MSFS version of the 300ER (which is the only variant I own) the pitch felt even worse, regardless of whether I'm using my Honeycomb Alpha or an Xbox controller. I am very interested in trying the fine-tuned version that many are reporting here in the 200ER but won't pay 77 dollars to find out... I'd rather wait until PMDG backport these improvements into the 300ER. If you fly the 200ER by FlightFactor you'd notice the difference in a heartbeat.  

 

(I'm not rated in the 777...  I've only been in a 200ER level D simulator)

1 minute ago, tpete61 said:

your complete wrong!

When purchasing the -300 in 2020 it was noted it would be a FREE update for 2024!

Huh? where has that policy changed now?

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/352817-23apr25-pmdg-777-200er-release-window-update-flight-test-follies-and-a-few-other-bits
PMDG.com customers who have already purchased the 777F or 777-300ER in MSFS 2020 will automatically receive the new versions that are compatible with MSFS 2024 via the PMDG Operations Center.
 

34 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

your completely wrong!

When purchasing the -300 in 2020 it was noted it would be a FREE update for 2024!

I don't know what your talking about as far as name calling goes!

First of all it's you're...  Little thing.

How am I wrong? Elaborate.

It IS a free upgrade for existing -300 customers, you're just upset because you didn't get it BEFORE they tried to recoup costs with a new variant for '24.  Again, the whole run a business aspect.  The horror, you have to wait a month to get your -300 for free.  The Horror!!!  

Maybe you should go back and read your own post if you don't understand the name calling comment but the funny thing is I didn't even quote you (or anyone) but I guess if the shoe fits you would feel it was directed at you.

 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by psolk

Man what is going on in these forums the last couple of days? ... Its all so .. unpleasant ... Misinformation abounds and a whole lot of negative energy ... sheesh..

 

No liveries appearing in the new operation center. 

41 minutes ago, psolk said:

It IS a free upgrade for existing -300 customers, you're just upset because you didn't get it BEFORE they tried to recoup costs with a new variant for '24.  Again, the whole run a business aspect.  The horror, you have to wait a month to get your -300 for free.  The Horror!!!

No where in this thread am I complaining about waiting longer for one vs the other. My OP says what I'm pointing out!

The "whole run a business" aspect is your take on it, not mine.

I'm not a first day down loader nor a PMDG evangelist!

 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by tpete61

Just flew the MSFS 2024 777200ER with the Rolls Royce engines from EGLL to Antwerp & had a very smooth flight & ILS landing at dusk.

No hiccups.

T45

8 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

nor a PMDG evangelist!

🤣 that's a good one!

24 minutes ago, lenny777 said:

No liveries appearing in the new operation center. 

I think there are some issues with the '24 liveries exporting correctly, someone else mentioned it to me in a PM so it's second hand information but it might not be on your on your end...

16 minutes ago, Treetops45 said:

Just flew the MSFS 2024 777200ER with the Rolls Royce engines from EGLL to Antwerp & had a very smooth flight & ILS landing at dusk.

No hiccups.

T45

That's a sporty destination for a 777😲

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I think they could have just as easily updated the 300 ER to work with 2024, and maybe charged a fee for that. 

It might not be that "simple"?

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

To pay $80 for the same aircraft as the 300 ER that is a bit smaller and has different engines, is something I would never pay for

And that's the beauty of it. No one is forcing anyone to buy it, hence the silliness of all the whining.

FWIW, from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftFlightSim/comments/1kd31yg/pmdg_777200er_in_msfs_2024_has_the_best_flight/ (of course folks are calling this poster a PMDG lackey/employee/etc there already 🙂)

OP: PMDG have really upped their game in this regard, as their previous 777s (in MSFS 2020, P3D, etc) have had some strange handling characteristics (and in fact, so does their 737.) The 200ER is the most complete flight model I've ever experience in any desktop flight sim. You can feel all of the aircraft's weight, yet it is still agile like its real life counterpart. The autothrottle does a great job of predicting and dealing with wind gusts like the real plane (which was a big weakness of previous 777 versions.) It's not floaty in the flare. The overall handling of the plane is very smooth and not twitchy like many aircraft in the sim, including high priced 3rd party addons.

For those waiting for the 777-300ER or 777F to receive the MSFS 2024 update, you are in for a treat. I'm personally really looking forward to their 737 series in MSFS 2024. Those planes are in dire need of a better flight model.
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Other: Does it rectify the very odd trim behaviour of their P3D/2020 77W?
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OP: Yes. Trim behavior is one of the things that made their previous 777s frustrating to fly, especially on approach. It felt like their fly-by-wire implementation was way too aggressive in pitching up/down to maintain speed. This is no longer an issue.
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Other: That’s amazing! I’ve barely flown the 77W as a result.
Out of interest what was your issue with the 737 for 2020? I spent a lot of time tweaking my yoke settings and have got it flying beautifully, definitely the most convincing airliner simulation I’ve flown on a desktop, in my experience anyway.
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OP: It feels like a paper plane in the flare. The iFly feels better. Actually, shout out to iFly, which also has a great flight model.
I think the PMDG 737 will be much improved in 2024.
 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by lwt1971