The end result of that session is that I can relax a bit with respect to looking for a new PC. I will not be switching to MSFS 2024 until at least SU4 is released, and quite probably beyond that.

Marketplace lag - the big problem here is the time it takes for updates to be released. There is something seriously wrong with the update system on MS Marketplace if it takes several months for updates to appear. I have transferred numerous products across to Contrail and IniManager recently because of this (and the lack of configuration options), and I would transfer all of them if I could.

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46 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Marketplace lag - the big problem here is the time it takes for updates to be released. There is something seriously wrong with the update system on MS Marketplace if it takes several months for updates to appear. I have transferred numerous products across to Contrail and IniManager recently because of this (and the lack of configuration options), and I would transfer all of them if I could.

In the stream Jorg reckoned that with the various changes they've made their marketplace should now be as fast as other marketplaces since the vast bulk of actions are now on the developer including the timing of the submission to the marketplace.

11 hours ago, Georgleboui said:

 

– Cloud quality – Jörg / Seb mentioned that they found a bug in SU3 that degraded cloud quality, this will be fixed in SU4. 

Seeing as Su3 release keeps getting pushed back, why can't they fix this in SU3? Why wait until SU4?

26 minutes ago, pommy80 said:

Seeing as Su3 release keeps getting pushed back, why can't they fix this in SU3? Why wait until SU4?

I assume it's because it will take some time to implement.

Got Friends have just floated their idea for rentals - 

 

1 Day Rental — Free Trial ($0.00):
Everyone gets one free day with each aircraft. It’s a chance to explore the full experience with no strings attached. Sometimes, one flight is all it takes to know if it feels right for you.

3 Day Rental — $0.99:
This one means the most to us. Not everyone can afford to buy right away, and that’s okay. Life is expensive. With this option, we wanted to make it easier for you to spend more time with the aircraft without pressure. A weekend flight shouldn’t break the bank—and if it helps you decide later, then we’ve done our job.

7 Day Rental — 50% of Full Price:
For those who are nearly ready to commit, this gives you a full week of access. And if you choose to buy within seven days of the rental ending, Microsoft will automatically apply the rental cost toward your purchase. No wasted money. No stress.

5 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

The end result of that session is that I can relax a bit with respect to looking for a new PC. I will not be switching to MSFS 2024 until at least SU4 is released, and quite probably beyond that.

 

When MSFS 2024 first dropped, I said back then that it would probably be around a year, before it was ready for prime time. Looks like I won't be that far off, it is almost 9 months now. 

I feel like the sim has been ready since SU1

Edited July 24, 2025Jul 24 by Tuskin38

1 hour ago, St Mawgan said:

Got Friends have just floated their idea for rentals - 

 

1 Day Rental — Free Trial ($0.00):
Everyone gets one free day with each aircraft. It’s a chance to explore the full experience with no strings attached. Sometimes, one flight is all it takes to know if it feels right for you.

3 Day Rental — $0.99:
This one means the most to us. Not everyone can afford to buy right away, and that’s okay. Life is expensive. With this option, we wanted to make it easier for you to spend more time with the aircraft without pressure. A weekend flight shouldn’t break the bank—and if it helps you decide later, then we’ve done our job.

7 Day Rental — 50% of Full Price:
For those who are nearly ready to commit, this gives you a full week of access. And if you choose to buy within seven days of the rental ending, Microsoft will automatically apply the rental cost toward your purchase. No wasted money. No stress.

I really wish more devs adopted this practice it's such a consumer friendly way to allow us as customers to know if the product is a right fit for us. DCS mandates this but I can understand why it's a bit more difficult in MSFS.

While I do know this is a touchy subject it also helps reduce piracy in a way.

47 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

When MSFS 2024 first dropped, I said back then that it would probably be around a year, before it was ready for prime time. Looks like I won't be that far off, it is almost 9 months now. 

looking at the continuous VRAM issues, VR performance regressions and other areas I'm still on for SU4 Public release as to when it'll be what it should've been last year. I still jump in every now and then and will when SU3 is released just to see how things are progressing, looking forward to improvements but as ever I take everything they say in these Q&As with a massive pinch of salt 🙂

After the show, twotonemurphy had a twitch with Marwan and Nick.

That's when I found out an 2024 upgrade is coming for the HJET.  ( I don't do discord.)

Can't wait to start career mode with it.

dd

At 54:03 Jorg talks about VATSIM helping them with ATC. That sounds quite promising!

So, what is actually going to be improved in SU3? Most of the more serious issues are postponed to SU4?

26 minutes ago, Nemo said:

So, what is actually going to be improved in SU3? Most of the more serious issues are postponed to SU4?

There has been so much stuff that I can't remember, or don't care about, or don't even understand what it is, and there have been a lot of things that have been fixed because they broke them first anyway, but for me it is the little things like the new realistic strobes and emissive lights at last.  It least it is going in the right direction, and they are trying, even if things are moving at a snails pace.

Not sure if there are many people with the same opinion as me, but the things I look for are stability, optimisation, and completion of the features list.

I am looking forward to SU4 if they are looking to try to unload the main thread again.  More backwards compatibility would be good as well, because Jorg's promise of 'the vast majority of addons from 2020 will work straight out of the box in 2024' hasn't quite worked out, and that has left a sour taste in the mouth of a lot of people.  That and the poor launch has destroyed a degree of trust. 

Some developers like Just Flight have supported their customers, but others are making us pay again to bring a product in to 2024.  And don't say it is because of 'extra functionality' - what?  For being able to remove some chocks?  

41 minutes ago, Nemo said:

So, what is actually going to be improved in SU3? Most of the more serious issues are postponed to SU4?

Easy to glean such information by reading all the changelogs for the SU3 builds so far, start from the bottom (first build and base changelog) and work your way up: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/c/su3/su3-news/390 
 

Edited July 24, 2025Jul 24 by lwt1971

16 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Not sure if there are many people with the same opinion as me, but the things I look for are stability, optimisation, and completion of the features list.

I dare say stability is high on many peoples lists judging by the sheer number of CTD posts here there and everywhere, optimisation more for VR users as we've struggled badly with this title so far whereas 2D users seem to have it very good with the myriad of various performance enhancers(!), current features need fixing up but as far as I'm concerned the whole Career aspect should be an ever evolving aspect so that's never "complete" so to speak. Other features than can be defined as complete though and those that should've been before release then yes they're up there, but this whole area is seemingly going to wait until post SU4 anyway and that's fine by me. The mess they released is less messy than it was 9months ago, they've done good work in some areas but there's still a way to go before I can forgive them for selling me a lie last year....the sucker that I am 🤪