I've been giving Beyond ATC a go. Here are my problems with it...

- really poor vectoring to arrival runways at EGLL. It basically keeps me way too high and then clears me to land way too far out.
- during taxi told me to wait for "crossing traffic" so I waited, and waited for 15 minutes. In the end I ignored it and just taxied out myself.
- not enough arriving and departing traffic...PSXT has so much more.

1 hour ago, BWBriscoe said:

I've been giving Beyond ATC a go. Here are my problems with it...

- really poor vectoring to arrival runways at EGLL. It basically keeps me way too high and then clears me to land way too far out.
- during taxi told me to wait for "crossing traffic" so I waited, and waited for 15 minutes. In the end I ignored it and just taxied out myself.
- not enough arriving and departing traffic...PSXT has so much more.

Add to that aircraft that simply freeze while taxying, backing up every other aircraft behind them.    I now keep the BATC traffic map open while on the ground so I can delete the "stuck" aircraft and keep things moving.  Sometimes I end up deleting most of the taxying jets.  Also, it's great when you see most of the airport starting to push back and taxi for departure while at best 1 or 2 jets land during the same time period.

Honestly, I stay with BATC because there are no other options but if someone ever comes up with a decent AI traffic app for 2024, I'll gladly delete BATC in a heartbeat.  It's semi-garbage but there's nothing else out there, so I continue to tolerate it. 

Poor vectoring and approach clearances are the norm for BATC.

It can do okay with really structured rnav routes and sids/stars though as long as you fly airliners or jets.

It struggles with general aviation style flights.

I rarely use it.

Just to add, I also have issues with the interface not auto tuning after departure and then en-route?
 

just me 😉

Does anyone know if BATC are addressing the problems mentioned, or is it an Asobo issue that has not been fixed, which is usually the case.

This is why I do not even use active AI planes in MSFS 2020. It feels like a backwards move from P3Dv4, because that had decent taxi/take off/approach/landing animations for the AI planes, and the behaviour on the ground was reasonably good. Of course, I was able to modify stuff like that in Airport Design Editor in P3Dv4. No chance of that in MSFS 2020.

It is annoying, but I just stick with static AI planes these days.

Edited August 15, 2025Aug 15 by Christopher Low

9 hours ago, BWBriscoe said:

I've been giving Beyond ATC a go. Here are my problems with it...

- really poor vectoring to arrival runways at EGLL. It basically keeps me way too high and then clears me to land way too far out.
 

This has been a big issue with BATC since day 1, at any airport though, not just EGLL. 

It will also happily vector you when vectors are not appropriate. My absolute favourite being into Paro, although that one was a while ago...

 

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I absolutely love BATC and won't fly without it. I do fly IFR only though with SID and STAR etc. and only in Europe too.

35 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

This is why I do not even use active AI planes in MSFS 2020. It feels like a backwards move from P3Dv4, because that had decent taxi/take off/approach/landing animations for the AI planes, and the behaviour on the ground was reasonably good. Of course, I was able to modify stuff like that in Airport Design Editor in P3Dv4. No chance of that in MSFS 2020.

It is annoying, but I just stick with static AI planes these days.

BATC directly controls its ai aircraft, it's not injected into the MSFS AI system.

9 hours ago, BWBriscoe said:

- not enough arriving and departing traffic...PSXT has so much more.

You can increase the traffic density, by default it's set to 5 out of a range of 10. Where 10 being an exact replica of real life schedules.

I agree with a few of your complaints though, for me a major annoyance is it not picking up on my frequency changes, where repeating it 3-4 times, it keeps telling me negative.

8 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

You can increase the traffic density, by default it's set to 5 out of a range of 10. Where 10 being an exact replica of real life schedules.

The developers advise against it though. One main reason is that currently there is no seperation being done between you and the AI.

I think a lot of the bad vectoring on arrival could be avoided by giving Direct-To clearances or clearances for initial approaches which I suspect would also be far more realistic in most cases where there is a vectors section in between the STAR and the approach.

Well, I wasn't using BATC for a while, because I decided to use pretty much default everything that FS 2024 offers for free including ATC and AI Traffic, yet, a couple days ago when I first tested SU3 1.5.25.0 I noticed quite an impact of default AI Traffic and ATC, so, I gave BATC a new chance, installed also FSLTL @ 1024 textures, and so far have been enjoying it.

I even was vectored once, and in another circumstance told to go around and vectored back to the long final, and all was acceptably controlled.

Even with the default ATC I faced situations of aircraft being told to vacate the runway I was about to takeoff from, and staying there until I decided to completely forget about the ATC and aligned and took off 😞

I use BATC for what it's good at:  voices and it's great for that part.  Because I find animation of BATC's injection/management AI traffic is so herky jerky I stopped using it and just use FSLTL's injector and its animation is smooth.  I remain surprised why few others mention this, the herky jerky animation.  So for me its ambience only.  With FSLTL's injector I see more aircraft because it's not spacing AI aircraft so far apart like BATC does.  So BATC still directs my flight, just w/ disregard for FSLTL's traffic.  More often than not it doesn't really matter--that is, there is no conflict happening but on occasion there will be--I just have to pay attention and avoid running into other AI traffic, but it's easy to do anyway.  But here's the other big reason I do this:  am able to use Premium voices for pilot and controller, and deselect Premium for traffic.  This means only my pilot and one controller are using up characters, whereas when you use BATC's injector you get all AI traffic comms w/ ATC  controllers using characters and that is a massive increase in use.  Again, for the ambience piece I just use LiveATC to here traffic comms.  I hope to go back to default AI traffic if n when it improves.

Beyond ATC is using  winter flight schedule at the moment thats why there isnt loads of traffic, they have said they will update very soon to have a summer and winter flight schedules