October 1, 201312 yr Old news but still, I give up on my generation.... How can people not be interested in history I dig through mud and endure mass attacks of insects to recover Paleo Indian artifacts to learn about their culture but most won't even watch a TV program about history. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1577511/Winston-Churchill-didnt-really-exist-say-teens.html ATP MEL,CFI,CFII,MEI. Type Ratings B-737, ERJ-190,ERJ-170
October 1, 201312 yr Moderator There was a poll taken a few years ago of high school students in the US, and almost 50% stated that during World War II, the Americans fought with the Germans against the Japanese and the Russians!
October 1, 201312 yr There was a poll taken a few years ago of high school students in the US, and almost 50% stated that during World War II, the Americans fought with the Germans against the Japanese and the Russians! WHAT??? I don't believe you. You are kidding, right? David Zambrano, CFII, CPL, IGI I know there's a lot of money in aviation because I put it there.
October 1, 201312 yr The ignorance of most people of all cultures is pretty underwhelming. It's not just Americans. I have spent the last 40 years of my life traveling the world and can tell you that there are people in Malaysia that do not know where New York is, Japanese that do not know where Perth is located, and countless others that do not know history beyond their very narrow horizons. Though this story relates to an American, it is a story that any country and citizen can repeat at some level. My father was Navy and we were stationed in Japan. We returned to the US and were stationed in Southern Maryland. I remember the first day in school there. I was standing behind a very big kid who waiting in line with me in the cafeteria for his lunch, turned to me and asked; "you are the guy from Japan, right?". I said yes, we just arrived. He then responded with; "I have never met a Japanese before". I was floored and proceeded to explain, no, I am an American and I am not Japanese. He finally accepted that and we moved on. The end of the story? We became good friends, and he ended up serving two tours in Vietnam. After two tours he came home to run his father's farm. Less than a year after his return, he was killed when his tractor overturned on him. Up to the time of his joining the Army, he had never traveled outside of St. Mary's county; the place of his birth and death.
October 1, 201312 yr With feral crime on the increase and the obsession with reality shows/z-list celebrities what would anyone expect?
October 1, 201312 yr The end of the story? We became good friends, and he ended up serving two tours in Vietnam. After two tours he came home to run his father's farm. Less than a year after his return, he was killed when his tractor overturned on him. Up to the time of his joining the Army, he had never traveled outside of St. Mary's county; the place of his birth and death. This is a telling as anything, Tom. Outside of the loss of your friend, people get cloistered, they get fixed in their ways, they remain isolated, whatever. The end result is that they are very unaware of the "greater world" - the tiller is in hand, the nose is upon the grinding wheel, and that is all they see. I remember traveling to Hawaii on my honeymoon, many moons ago, and talking to an elderly shop keeper on Kauai. She had NEVER left the island. I was flabbergasted, as I was already suffering from rock fever! That being said, there are many studies that indicate 'Muricans are more ignorant of the world than most. Your referenced Malaysians and Japanese. That is not an apt comparison, as both are relatively closed societies. If you compare Americans to Europeans, where the "western culture" and knowledge base is more even, Americans are woefully ignorant in comparison. I have traveled as well, and always ace the PEW Research quizzes, but when a bartender in Munich can speak four languages fluently and understand American political issues, I feel ... inadequate. And I fear the situation is not getting any better, but is indeed getting worse. John Howell Prepar3D V5, Windows 10 Pro, I7-9700K @ 4.6Ghz, EVGA GTX1080, 32GB Corsair Dominator 3200GHz, SanDisk Ultimate Pro 480GB SSD (OS), 2x Samsung 1TB 970 EVO M.2 (P3D), Corsair H80i V2 AIO Cooler, Fulcrum One Yoke, Samsung 34" 3440x1440 curved monitor, Honeycomb Bravo throttle quadrant, Thrustmaster TPR rudder pedals, Thrustmaster T1600M stick
October 1, 201312 yr There was a poll taken a few years ago of high school students in the US, and almost 50% stated that during World War II, the Americans fought with the Germans against the Japanese and the Russians! Thanks, Kevin L
October 1, 201312 yr Saw a poll that 30% of Louisiana republicans blame Obama for post-Katrina response. Of course Katrina was 3 years before he was president. Brent Baker
October 1, 201312 yr The college evel math standards here in Florida have been lowered almost every year David Zambrano, CFII, CPL, IGI I know there's a lot of money in aviation because I put it there.
October 1, 201312 yr Old news but still, I give up on my generation.... How can people not be interested in history I dig through mud and endure mass attacks of insects to recover Paleo Indian artifacts to learn about their culture but most won't even watch a TV program about history. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1577511/Winston-Churchill-didnt-really-exist-say-teens.html Yup the rest if our generation is this dumb. It's fine to say they're ignorant, but I'm guessing they're learning some of this in school so there's really not many excuses on that front. Okay so they're not up to date with their 13th century military history but still not knowing who Churchill is is pretty bad. We learned about him in Canada, because he was important! I live in a city of around 55000 in northern Alberta Canada and sometimes I wonder if its just because its here or people in general. I'm leaning to its mostly rural Canada, and some other smaller cities. Or maybe North America? I don't know. But if I get asked if Africa is a country one more time I don't know what I'll do. Somebody asked my sister that in her political science masters course as well... My mom is from South Africa wait for these: "Oh your moms from South Africa?" "Yes" slight pause with a confused look..." And she's white?" "Yes there's all sorts of people in South Africa!!" Usually said in my head. And this has happened to all my siblings while they were in university as well "Oh South Africa, where is that?" Jeez I don't know. I'd tell you to go look at an atlas but I understand the amount of work that would take would be far more then your attention span would allow. That's before people even know I'm Jewish, my families basically the only Jewish family around here. It's very hard for people (around here) to fathom that someone doesn't have to believe in *******, I'm not exaggerating. Its geography that annoys me too. Is it rare for someone to not have to look at a map? Do I know my geography better then most? Do people not think its an important thing to know about? Shouldn't people know some of the countries that make up the continents? I'm not saying you should know where Equatorial Guinea is, or Nepal is on the map instantly but we need to learn about other places. If I asked someone where Everest is, or the Andes, I'm not sure if I would get an answer out of 90% of the people around here. Kids or adults. Great Barrier Reef anyone? It's not everyone of our generation, but if we're honest, most could care less about this stuff. Unless its on Facebook or twitter or snapchat who cares? It's not important. Ok, now that that is off my chest.... Lee Edit: the whining that went on when we did Shakespeare was pretty bad. Why do we have to learn about him? He's only one if the most important authors of the English language so it's no biggie. Same with history/social studies class too.
October 1, 201312 yr Moderator Also a daily diet of Candy Crush and Angry Birds.True and people with their eyes glued to their "i" devices and smart phones, constantly tweeting, facebooking, and playing mindless games, while consuming energy drinks to stay awake. Young kids following the likes of Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus wanting to be just him/her. The younger generation is in trouble. The division between the upper class and middle/lower class will become greater as the ones who choose to learn and better themselves will be making all the money and mosy likely have better quality of lives, while the ones who choose to play games and work minimum wage jobs will be helpless and at the mercy of the folks with all the money, education and power. Dont even get me started at the lack of discipline, manners, attitudes, and sense of entitlement a lot of the younger generation display these days. A lot of people would be surprised at the amount of young 20 somethings i've talked to who dont even know the capitals of some of the larger states, sometimes not even the capital of the state they live in. Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
October 1, 201312 yr The younger generation is in trouble. The division between the upper class and middle/lower class will become greater as the ones who choose to learn and better themselves will be making all the money and mosy likely have better quality of lives, while the ones who choose to play games and work minimum wage jobs will be helpless and at the mercy of the folks with all the money, education and power. Right up to the point where they take to the streets rioting because they can't see a difference between buying something with money that's been earned & looting it out of a shop window. As happened here in the UK a couple of years back. I clearly remember back in 2000, when the 60th anniversary of the Battle of Britain was being remembered, a survey showed that the majority of youngsters didn't even know what it was - let alone who won it & what would have happened if we hadn't!!
October 1, 201312 yr Glad I'm not the only one noticing this trend. It's stunning really. I've seen core curricula in schools dumbed down to the lowest levels while schools focus less on education and more on nanny agendas. It's staggering. Sadly, these are the leaders of our future. Of course, I'm sure that Tom and a few others who have a few years on me (just a few, lol) would say the same about my forty-something generation. It seems that every generation has a paradigm changing evolution in technology which results in a directly proportional degradation in society. For us, it was television, and later, the advent of the PC. For this generation it's the Internet. All technologies that could have been utilized to further education for everyone, provide a conduit for greater societal awareness and generally improve the human condition, but which have, sadly, been co opted by less than savory control freaks hell bent on taking advantage of the less educated. Say what you want about technology; one thing is clear. As a society, technology has made us lazy and ignorant. "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." -Leonardo da Vinci (some experts question the attribution, but I'll go with it for now.)
October 1, 201312 yr I recall reading that these same arguments were being made 100 years ago. Is it worse today? I have no idea. I've seen trends I like, and trends I don't. Hook Larry Hookins Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of EarthAnd danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
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