26 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

@2reds2whites I think you have good points there and I don't want to read too much into how the plane appears to behave in the air when flown like that and viewing from a very abnormal camera position too. 

However, one thing that first started bugging me a little bit in the IFR discovery video and was in this clip too is how the A320 doesn't seem to have any mass. This was evident in the touch downs in both the IFR discovery series and here. It gives me (and several people have said the same) the vibes of some light RC plane, not a real plane with serious mass.

I'd completely ignore the 'mass' on landing in the latest leak. The simulator isn't simulating the landing - as I said in reality you'd be a smoking hole. The sim is just popping you back in the air, the appearance of mass isn't part of it.

As for the IFR discovery video, I've just gone back and watched it. The entire takeoff and landing sequence is sped up 2x. Watch the landing again but change the speed in google to 0.5x. It looks absolutely realistic to me, apart from the poor flying on final. I think the feeling of 'mass' is actually quite impressive in that case, the lag of V/S with changing pitch, wing bending on landing etc.

Edited July 19, 20205 yr by 2reds2whites

1 hour ago, 2reds2whites said:

I'd completely ignore the 'mass' on landing in the latest leak. The simulator isn't simulating the landing - as I said in reality you'd be a smoking hole. The sim is just popping you back in the air, the appearance of mass isn't part of it.

As for the IFR discovery video, I've just gone back and watched it. The entire takeoff and landing sequence is sped up 2x. Watch the landing again but change the speed in google to 0.5x. It looks absolutely realistic to me, apart from the poor flying on final. I think the feeling of 'mass' is actually quite impressive in that case, the lag of V/S with changing pitch, wing bending on landing etc.

I hope you're right, speeding up the touchdown was an unfortunate overlook from the editor and might be the only reason it looked so odd. It can't be too long now until we start to see some real gameplay.

Edited July 19, 20205 yr by Kopteeni

2reds2whites, what are you talking about? The first landing has been made with 340 knots, but if you looked more carefully you would have seen that it was made in "Easy" mode. Further, there was a second landing, in "Hard" mode, with 198 knots and 1700 descend rate. The chassis of a plane should handle such forces in reality.

Furthermore, tweekz and Kopteeni have made a video flying the same way in X-Plane.

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If you are a real pilot (Airbus pilot if I understood it right?) you just cannot ignore the ultimate facts that are so much easy to perceive and missing. First, the landing in X-Plane created some great damping and rebounce forces, second the flight in extreme conditions created some heavy wing flex. You said " I honestly see no issue with the flight simulation here". How in the world can you ignore those important basic things?

Wing flex and damping forces are totally missing, which are so much easy to judge. Second there is no real dynamic mass distribution, it cannot be proven that easily, but it is clearly visible if one looks carefully the way the plane moves. If feels actually like GTA V flying a Boeing 747. What we have here is not a plane on rail while landing (FSX), but a plane on air rails with Arcade landings. It might be an Arcade mode what we saw in the leaked video, I don`t have any better explanation on that. There are some complex calculations going in X-Plane, in FS2020 it feels like everything has been calculated in 2D space.

How can you ignore the important fact as a pilot that damping forces and wing flexibitly are totally missing in the video?

 

 

Edited July 19, 20205 yr by BigDee

At a certain point, these posts begin to sound like medieval monks discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.......

😂

Only 30 more days of this to go! 😕  

27 minutes ago, Wewk584 said:

Only 30 more days of this to go! 😕  

It's gonna be way worse in 30 days. But I think everyone will move to the msfs official forums

1 hour ago, cepact said:

It's gonna be way worse in 30 days. But I think everyone will move to the msfs official forums

I agree about the official forums. When PMDG switched from AVSIM to their own forums, the number of PMDG posts on AVSIM dropped significantly. I have a feeling though that there will be MSFS subreddits that will be a whole lot more useful (as will AVSIM) for the serious flightsimmer.

1 minute ago, jabloomf1230 said:

I agree about the official forums. When PMDG switched from AVSIM to their own forums, the number of PMDG posts on AVSIM dropped significantly. I have a feeling though that there will be MSFS subreddits that will be a whole lot more useful (as will AVSIM) for the serious flightsimmer.

It will be chaos on the MSFS forums, with gamers & simmers in one forum?

By the way, Avsim is not the only site that has Microsoft Flight Simulation Forums,  

A lot of serious simmers also hang out on the other forums, with some great discussions happening. 

3 hours ago, Wewk584 said:

Only 30 more days of this to go! 😕  

So you think the complaining will get less after release? 😄

Just watched an old 23-minute TBM leak that somehow I had never seen before. It's fantastic. So despite the collision dynamics being also wacky in that one, I'm feeling much less worried than after watching the infamous A320 video. It may help that I'm not much into airliners (never had enough time to learn how to operate them!), my impression so far is that we are likely to be more satisfied with the smaller aircraft.

This will be an unpopular opinion:

“Flying” with an X-Box controller is indeed unrealistic, but it’s practical. I have 2 Saitek Throttle Quadrants, CH Rudder pedals, TM HOTAS and about to buy the Honeycomb horns... however, I sometimes fly just with the XBox controller P3Dv5, XP11, DCS and even Aerowinx PSX.

To me (flown real world C172/182/Aztec, have 16 hours in gliders and a few hours in both LevelD A320 and 737NG) nothing comes close to the real feel. Sure, a bit more control travel, using your feet instead of trigger buttons for pedals is great, a bit more “ heavy” feeling in some controllers to compensate, but none will come close to the real thing (not to mention feeling the forces to compensate). 

So... let’s don’t bash or demonize a human-machine-interface just because it “ feels” gamey. It does the job and definitely not a stopper if you’re more interested in real world procedures...  whether you’re into GA flying or tubeliners.

My $0.2. Cheers to all!

Sure it's not real, BUT it could be immersive, so, if you get used to a controller, your muscle memory takes over while you are flying.

Nothing wrong at all. In any case, the majority of controllers do not feed-back and do not have the physical range that real controls have.

All about being immersive..

4 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

Puuurfect analogy cool white cat.

Edited July 19, 20205 yr by Will Fly For Cheese