5 minutes ago, JoeFackel said:

So you disagree with my MSFS installation that was porked by second update and refuses to reinstallations since then? I'll pass that information to the sim, guess it will work again.

I had my share of installation issues as well, you can read my report somewhere here at AVSIM. I was unable to install the MS Store version and had it even to jeopardize my system when I (my fault) tried to correct it via hints I found on the net.

I finally returned it, got money back and bought the Steam version and I'm a happy camper since. But this issue (which is more about the MS ecosystem than the sim) didn't change my judgement of the sim.

No doubt, MSFS should have less installation issues and the updates could benefit from better QA, but most of the issues can be (and have been) solved with patience instead of just grumbling.

Kind regards, Michael

12 minutes ago, JoeFackel said:

At least it works, i can download it everywhere on an usb stick and install updates without bringing more bugs to it than updates fix.

Well let's see I spent a good 32 minutes yesterday setting up a PMDG777 flight out of KDEN all the way to including anti-ice tx from GSXII, then as I taxied out to the runway approach and was cleared for TO, rounding the turn to align w/ the runway...boom!  CTD!  So after breakfast we decided it must have just been one of those random events that happens, despite the ULTRA mature $200 P3D 4.5, and decided to try again word not allowed it!  This time we did the abbreviated prep having spent 32 minutes getting to the apron previously, took off headed for Dublin IR, sim rate speed to 8x after TOC.   Come back a while later all ready for a nice ILS landing at EIDW.  Uh oh, the ILS isn't working despite correct freq etc.  It usually works fine, what gives?

19 minutes ago, Chock said:

Did you even read my post properly? MS set the price for that and determined to deliver it at that price

Yes and my comment had nothing to do with your specific comment as I said, it was a segway to the incessant demand for perfection coming out of a few.  Did you contact MS and ask them will everything be perfect at launch before buying?  I didn't think so. 

Edited November 2, 20205 yr by Noel

19 minutes ago, pmb said:

I had my share of installation issues as well, you can read my report somewhere here at AVSIM. I was unable to install the MS Store version and had it even to jeopardize my system when I (my fault) tried to correct it via hints I found on the net.

I finally returned it, got money back and bought the Steam version and I'm a happy camper since. But this issue (which is more about the MS ecosystem than the sim) didn't change my judgement of the sim.

No doubt, MSFS should have less installation issues and the updates could benefit from better QA, but most of the issues can be (and have been) solved with patience instead of just grumbling.

Kind regards, Michael

Michael,

I am genuinely glad that you shared this. You did not deny that you ran into issues just to get this up and running. Granted, installation issues are more in the realm of MS and not Asobo but i can clearly tell you are honest enough to not whitewash the issues as they come up and you have also acknowledged that their are shortcomings in QA that need to be addressed.

The difference between you and i however is the fact that i probably fall into the category of those that will grumble about it till they acknowledge the issue rather than just patiently wait for a fix and thats fine. Not everyone is built the same way but i have seen your posts. They are always friendly, inoffensive and you are able to get your point across without pissing off others.

I appreciate that.

Cheers

Edited November 2, 20205 yr by Maxis

I'd rather spend $4,500 on something that works than $60 for something that "somewhat" works; aside from that, the foundation is there for the new gen sim and I'm going to support it going forward, but, like many others around here, I do get frustrated with these patches that tend to fix some stuff and break others.  Coding can be a mine field and I suspect Asobo is experiencing these hazards as they gain their footing in the flight sim development space.  I believe patience by the community will win the day in the end.  My two point 3 cents worth of opin.

MSFS is definitely the best "sim" ever for VFR and well worth the approx $100... Heck, apart from the treesize mod, I've just been running vanilla standard, though I haven't touched MSFS in over a month.

Hope it still boots up next time I run it, lol...  but Asobo anyway seem to be trying hard to fix things with regular patches, guess they're just stretched a bit thin atm.

19 hours ago, Noel said:

disregard the petty whining from a few who can't see the forest for the trees.

So you think those of us that have paid for a sim that now refuses to install past 25% on a clean formatted disk with a new install of windows and a further clean formatted disk to install MSFS on is petty whining?

Interesting.

Oh and I have had the sim from day 1 and for the first 3 updates I did not have a problem. Just wish I could get it to work again.

Mick

18 hours ago, Maxis said:

Michael,

I am genuinely glad that you shared this. You did not deny that you ran into issues just to get this up and running. Granted, installation issues are more in the realm of MS and not Asobo but i can clearly tell you are honest enough to not whitewash the issues as they come up and you have also acknowledged that their are shortcomings in QA that need to be addressed.

The difference between you and i however is the fact that i probably fall into the category of those that will grumble about it till they acknowledge the issue rather than just patiently wait for a fix and thats fine. Not everyone is built the same way but i have seen your posts. They are always friendly, inoffensive and you are able to get your point across without pissing off others.

I appreciate that.

Cheers

Said the same things about Michael on other threads. He's just composed, humble, and respectful and quote often really helful in his responses. 

 

We need more Michaels 😁

21 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

Said the same things about Michael on other threads. He's just composed, humble, and respectful and quote often really helful in his responses. 

 

We need more Michaels 😁

Guys .. I just get a red face.

Thank you and best regards, Michael 

Actually this is not the times the bugs should be being fixed out.   Most of them would not exist if a better job had been done in the requirements phase.  They had a largwly working sim which was 8 years out of date and had suffered from keeping backward compatibility for many years before.  It was also designed for the graphic cards of 15 years ago.  If they had studied whatr was valued in the old msf and what was complained about they would have made a much better job of things.  It probably was not a great idea to throw out the 8 year old child because it was having problems and make a new baby with all the unknown variables.  They have started putting work into it now but their job was made a lot harder.

Edited November 3, 20205 yr by harrry

1 hour ago, pmb said:

Guys .. I just get a red face.

Thank you and best regards, Michael 

Michael for president !!

😀

2 hours ago, harrry said:

Actually this is not the times the bugs should be being fixed out.   Most of them would not exist if a better job had been done in the requirements phase.  They had a largwly working sim which was 8 years out of date and had suffered from keeping backward compatibility for many years before.  It was also designed for the graphic cards of 15 years ago.  If they had studied whatr was valued in the old msf and what was complained about they would have made a much better job of things.  It probably was not a great idea to throw out the 8 year old child because it was having problems and make a new baby with all the unknown variables.  They have started putting work into it now but their job was made a lot harder.

Believe it or not,  the team has said just the contrary, that they started from a thorough analysis of the FSX code to keep what they could. And that, at the end, was not much which is understandable as they wanted not only a new look (terrain by streaming, light) but also new dynamics (weather, air mass, flight models). 

If they were  wrong on anything it was to do everything at the same time. A phased reconstruction might have been less painful. Maybe... The present difficulty of the Lockheed-Martin team to graft a new light rendering on P3D shows that evolution also brings its own lot of pains. 
 
At least, the Asobo project to adapt modern game technical know-how to the new sim, opens new paths that I doubt the ESP allows.

23 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Believe it or not,  the team has said just the contrary, that they started from a thorough analysis of the FSX code to keep what they could.

To me this is blatantly obvious in so many parts of the sim.  There are some really nice changes to that old code beyond scenery/atmospherics.  For those folks who have suffered w/ installation issues I feel for you, but it's hard to make it all work on every PC setup, each one w/ its own potential for  issues.   I'm going to post a poll about this because it's very hard to tell how many really have issues and how many really don't, though using the right language to tease apart those w/ 'real' persistent problems versus ones that do get solved fairly quickly .  I have a 6mo old Win10 install and the initial install and all 5 patches and one HF installed w/o incident.   

On 10/30/2020 at 9:03 AM, Wobbie said:

Will these, on Avsim, actually be heard by the developers? 

they have quoted avsim many times, so yes they will hear some but maybe not all.

16 minutes ago, Brandon01110 said:

they have quoted avsim many times, so yes they will hear some but maybe not all.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Brandon01110 said:

they have quoted avsim many times, so yes they will hear some but maybe not all.

 

Asobo look at every sim site, not only this one.