6 minutes ago, cobalt said:

It all sounds very impressive, but the scenery in P3D is still artificial and not real-world. To me that trumps everything else.

I went from MSFS back to P3D for a few days. It looked absolutely awful after being used to MSFS. I could not get used to that look anymore. 

I am really starting to get hooked on MSFS now that the PMDG 737 has been released. However, I don't plan on buying nearly as many aircraft for MSFS since I fly the 737 90% of the time. I will keep P3Dv5 so that I can use all of the other aircraft and airports I have acquired over the years. There are also several airports I have for P3D (way too many) that I don't fly to often, so I likely will not get those same airports again for MSFS. Even though MSFS scenery is much prettier, it is less of an issue for folks like me that are almost entirely high altitude jet flyers. That said, my P3D flights are still pretty cool for the most part.

Cheers, Pete

Edited May 18, 20224 yr by PilotPete99

Everyone buying the latest and greatest addon like the PMDG 737 is part of the problem. As long as we keep on giving Microsoft money, directly or indirectly, there will be no incentive for them to polish this sim. All they need is hype for the initial purchase, updates be damned.

Edited May 18, 20224 yr by SubtotalGuide

6 minutes ago, SubtotalGuide said:

Everyone buying the latest and greatest addon like the PMDG 737 is part of the problem. As long as we keep on giving Microsoft money, directly or indirectly, there will be no incentive for them to polish this sim. All they need is hype for the initial purchase, updates be damned.

Or the more planes we buy, the more we demand fidelity, more the 3rd party developers demand from Asobo.

Can't see the staff at Asobo looking to be laid off anytime soon, when there is so much left to develop and refine.

Lets not buy any addons and watch the program get shut down ...

11 minutes ago, Simple B said:

Or the more planes we buy, the more we demand fidelity, more the 3rd party developers demand from Asobo.

Can't see the staff at Asobo looking to be laid off anytime soon, when there is so much left to develop and refine.

Lets not buy any addons and watch the program get shut down ...

Not only that, but as of right now, technically, Microsoft/Asobo gets zero dollars from all those PMDG 737 sales.  And when the Fenix A320 releases, Microsoft/Asobo will get zero dollars from the Fenix A320 sales as well.  Neither add-on is being sold in the MSFS marketplace, so Microsoft/Asobo don't make a single penny from the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320 sales.

Now when the PMDG 737 arrives in the MSFS marketplace, then Microsoft/Asobo will benefit from the PMDG 737 sales.  As for the Fenix A320, my understanding is that it will never be released in the MSFS marketplace (because the Fenix A320 runs an external process, as Chewwy showed in his Task Manager on his stream).  So Fenix A320 sales will never benefit Microsoft/Asobo directly.

Where PMDG 737 sales and Fenix A320 sales can benefit Microsoft/Asobo directly is to convince people who don't have MSFS, to buy MSFS.  I don't think the percentage of  people who bought the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320 and didn't buy MSFS before, is that high.  The other way Microsoft/Asobo benefit from the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320 indirectly is people that buy the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320, then spend money in the MSFS marketplace.

TLDR: Microsoft/Asobo currently gets zero dollars, directly, from the PMDG 737 sales and Fenix A320 sales.

Edited May 18, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

29 minutes ago, SubtotalGuide said:

Everyone buying the latest and greatest addon like the PMDG 737 is part of the problem. As long as we keep on giving Microsoft money, directly or indirectly, there will be no incentive for them to polish this sim. All they need is hype for the initial purchase, updates be damned.

LOL !!!

You clearly have not paid attention to the relationship dynamics between third party developers and the platform developer. Or you would not have made such an uninformed comment.

Edited May 18, 20224 yr by Maxis

Yeah, I’m part of the problem for buying an addon for the best sim I’ve ever installed on my pc.  Whatever bro.  (Notice, I didn’t say “perfect”)

also the OP was about not wanting updates…

@abrams_tank you can be 1000% sure that Fenix / PMDG pay license fees to MS. In one way or the other. 

13 minutes ago, MySound said:

@abrams_tank you can be 1000% sure that Fenix / PMDG pay license fees to MS. In one way or the other. 

No they don't.  Where is your source that license fees are required to be paid to Microsoft outside the MSFS marketplace?  I have never heard of a 3rd party developer mentioning they have to pay license fees to Microsoft.  The only thing I have heard of is that Microsoft gets a cut on products sold in the MSFS marketplace. Do you have a source on license fees needed to be paid to Microsoft outside the MSFS marketplace?  

19 minutes ago, MySound said:

@abrams_tank you can be 1000% sure that Fenix / PMDG pay license fees to MS. In one way or the other. 

Fake News, 

21 minutes ago, MySound said:

@abrams_tank you can be 1000% sure that Fenix / PMDG pay license fees to MS. In one way or the other. 

Source, please?

😁

Edited May 18, 20224 yr by IanHarrison
Posted in the one-eyed forum by mistake.

3 hours ago, SubtotalGuide said:

Everyone buying the latest and greatest addon like the PMDG 737 is part of the problem. As long as we keep on giving Microsoft money, directly or indirectly, there will be no incentive for them to polish this sim. All they need is hype for the initial purchase, updates be damned.

The sim is too good to follow your miserable “Boycott MS/Asobo Movement”

Your self projecting guilt trip tactics are delusional.

I don't know about MS /Asobo not gaining much from these new aircraft, but i have noticed quite a few that have done just that, given up on their old sim and bought Msfs, over a number of forums and streams.

On 5/8/2022 at 3:07 AM, Rockliffe said:

My biggest gripe is the updates being mandatory

My biggest gripe or should I say concern is MSFS' very raison d'etre:  its cloud basis.  I think having everything installed locally as has been the case until now gives one a sense of control and security that is not matched by cloud-based architecture.  But the more I think about it the more I realize that control and security is an illusion in large part.  Mandatory updates are a part of cloud-based architecture it would seem.