Just now, edzunu said:

All Nvidia drivers after 537.58 had problems with perfomance.

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Mine are perfectly fine… 🤷🏻‍♂️

24 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Consistently? Games with bigger user bases than msfs don’t have that issue constantly. 

agreed, you beat me too it.

 

10 minutes ago, eslader said:

Businesses have to weigh the costs vs the benefits.

 

 

this is my point.  they could fix the server issues if they wanted, buts its time and money.

6 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Mine are perfectly fine… 🤷🏻‍♂️

I'm not saying it, I refer to the official nvidia forum.where multiple users complain about the drivers.

9 hours ago, eslader said:

supported it for 4 years, and are now building another new sim which they will support. 

And not to forget, for the new sim, they will keep the the memory footprint on the users PC minimal, so for every flight the used addons will be downloaded on demand. Reducing cloud server capacity for MSFS surely can't be a goal they are actively chasing.

Also, fflops is probably not aware, that ramping up and down cloud capacity is not costing much nowadays anymore. And that MSFS data probably does not account for more than groundnoise among the entire Azure internet traffic. 

And, also not to forget, in case of MSFS bandwidth usage correlates with income. Having a huge number of users means that a larger number of potential markeplace buyers is actively using MSFS. And you can rest assured, that the price span between operating the cloud infrastructure and the income of the marketplace is very beneficial for MS. Make no mistake, they "love" having to add more capacity to the MSFS backbone!

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by fsiscool

37 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Consistently? Games with bigger user bases than msfs don’t have that issue constantly.

And some less successful games don't have the issue as much either. It is a terrible metric to use and MSFS downloads hardly ever made full use of our download speeds from day one anyway. Sometimes it is just down to how things are set up.

1 hour ago, fluffyflops said:

yet everytime theres a large traffic load on the servers, wether thats update day or a busy weekend. they fall over.  

How do we know that it not something like a carrier getting overwhelmed? It may very well be AT&T's fault.

Even high capacity fiber optic lines have an upper limit. Every trunk line in and out of MS might be at full capacity for all we know.  

 

My side-by-side install completed at some point this morning (so around 18 hours at around 33 Mbs).

Everything looks ok at first glance - profile, Logbook, flight hours are as they were. Looks like graphical settings have been defaulted back to mostly High instead of the Ultra I'd been using. I've clicked on Controller profiles and although I can see non-default hardware there (such as my Fulcrum yoke), I'm just getting a spinning 'Loading' message over the screen so I don't know how long that's going to take to clear (3 or 4 minutes so far).

 

Other than that, World Updates etc require installing from Content Manager. The new install currently takes up 8.01GB compared to the original (with everything disabled in AddonsLinker) being a whopping 450GB. The difference is accounted by 0kb vs 286GB in Official/OneStore; 0kb vs 4.69GB in Community (the odd things that AddonsLinker doesn't seem to cope with); 184kb vs 1.83GB in LocalState (mainly dll files in 'packages' associated with various aircraft) , and an Official folder (non-existant in the fresh install) containing 162GB in OneStore. Yes, I have two Official/OneStore folders with a lot of files duplicated (not symbolic links), so probably a lot of unecessary bloat.

Still no luck accessing the controller profiles so I'll restart the sim (after a PC restart) and see if that helps...

Was really nervous about updating it, having read all the comments about the downloading issues I’m not on the beta but thought I’ll take the plunge today. Get it downloaded ready for the weekend. I am on BT fibre and surprisingly it took six minutes to download install and all seems fine. It’s 230 in the afternoon GMT, when I started the download. 

52 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

You don’t need an F1 car to go fast 😉 

And anyways, MSFS servers need to ‘go fast’ several times per year. 

No, they don't. You guys think they do because you're impatient. The world will not end if it takes more than 20 minutes to download an update. I'd rather they put more investment into sim improvements than build out hyper-robust servers for the 4 or so times per year when everyone's downloading an update at once, and I'd rather the base sim not cost $400 to help pay for Google-level servers. 

 

17 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

i always said from the beginning, the minute the sales slow down and the peak is gone, microsoft will loose interest,  

They were never going to plough a ton of money into a niche market like flightsim. Id wager they could fix the server issue by next week if they wanted, but that would mean diverting a load of resources - time, money and people into fixing it. 

everything is about money, nothing more, nothing less, and putting time, effort and staff onto something costs money, which I would guess they will not do.

Various facts on the ground counter your rather wild theory:
- MS ploughing a ton of money into investing in both updating v2020 and developing v2024, doubling the team size, etc
- the add-ons market thriving, with most of the major developers either exclusively or mostly focusing on MSFS, a lot of which are sold thru the marketplace where MS gets a cut
- MS/Asobo having made the flight sim market less of a niche compared to pre-2020, by expanding the audience and hardware platforms for it
- MS's cloud infrastructure (Azure) is vast, and the costs for re-allocating/scaling those resources for MSFS are a pittance compared to the kind of investment they're pouring into MSFS in terms of manpower, contracting 3rd party devs, etc (also a pittance compared to the cloud resources used up by their non-gaming enterprise software and enterprise customers).

Yes, at the end of the day for any business everything (or most things) *is* about money.. and that's precisely why they're continuing to invest in MSFS given its tremendous success. Far from and the opposite of losing interest, Microsoft is gaining a lot of interest.

MSFS is also in the conversation and financial reports/calls by its CEO, multiple times, which was unheard of during the FSX and prior days (and no surprise why because it also uses their core technology stacks like cloud, AI, etc).
Just a few examples:
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-yet-again-praises-msfs/408815
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/06/10/satya-nadella-and-phil-spencer-on-gaming-at-microsoft/
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/microsoft-ceo-mentions-vibrant-microsoft-flight-simulator-marketplace-in-financial-conference-call/396698
https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/minecraft-is-a-metaverse-and-so-is-flight-sim-71636049400599.html
https://www.ft.com/content/7d2a185c-7ab1-4fb2-80ca-aaa1fa7267ba
 

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by lwt1971

52 minutes ago, 109Sqn said:

Still no luck accessing the controller profiles so I'll restart the sim (after a PC restart) and see if that helps...

It did - I have access to my controller setups again. Just tried a short flight into (default) EGPH in live (dark, rainy) weather with the Bonanza G36, no issues, with 34 - 49FPS. I'll persevere with this new install, first adding the updates from Content Manager, then airports by country, followed by aircraft, trying to resist the urge to re-install anything I don't really use. I'm sure there are a few freeware improvements which are no longer necessary with all the world and sim updates since launch.

Once I'm satisfied that things are stable, I'll initially rename the original S-1-5-21-2544692395-2274515681-3036655377-1002 folder before deciding to risk deleting it. It needs to go one way or another to free the space. Just need to be sure nothing causes issues with the remaining new installation.

47 minutes ago, eslader said:

The world will not end if it takes more than 20 minutes to download an update.

Where do you get 20 mins from? It takes some people with 500MBIT+  connections several hours overnight...! I mean I get the gist of what you're saying and agree to a certain extent, but thats rather ridiculous. 

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

16 minutes ago, 109Sqn said:

It did - I have access to my controller setups again. Just tried a short flight into (default) EGPH in live (dark, rainy) weather with the Bonanza G36, no issues, with 34 - 49FPS. I'll persevere with this new install, first adding the updates from Content Manager, then airports by country, followed by aircraft, trying to resist the urge to re-install anything I don't really use. I'm sure there are a few freeware improvements which are no longer necessary with all the world and sim updates since launch.

Once I'm satisfied that things are stable, I'll initially rename the original S-1-5-21-2544692395-2274515681-3036655377-1002 folder before deciding to risk deleting it. It needs to go one way or another to free the space. Just need to be sure nothing causes issues with the remaining new installation.

Did you have any light issues with Edinburgh? I'm seeing the runway and taxi lights all floating above the ground when arriving here.

1 hour ago, edzunu said:

All Nvidia drivers after 537.58 had problems with perfomance.

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I don`t know where your findings come from because i am using at the moment ( since some weeks ) V. 546.01 and this is ( for me ) one of the best drivers for months now..

cheers 😉