800 dollars … that’s not affordable is it, I’m sure it’s good but to most people I wud say 200 dollars is about right 

21 minutes ago, tull said:

800 dollars … that’s not affordable is it, I’m sure it’s good but to most people I wud say 200 dollars is about right 

$200 for a Force Feedback Yoke of that quality?  That would be cheaper than a lot of NON FFB yokes LOL. 

Affordable is a relative term and compared to what else is out there for FFB yokes it is "relatively" affordable

For that price, those buttons and trim toggle look awful…

Edited June 21, 20241 yr by Snuffleupagus

Like the VR market it's gonna need a lot of manufacturers making FFB yokes/joysticks for those prices to drop, for example there's loads in the Sim racing market and you can pick up a decent FFB wheel for less than £300.

What has always surprised me is FFB in flight Sims has never really taken off (pun unintended), for all the money associated with flight Sims and arguably a larger user base than racing Sims (I'd love to see an actual factual comparison actually) I would've thought it would've been bigger business by now.

Ok you can argue FFB isn't really needed in flight, but it's still something that could be utilised further with better investment. So hopefully this weekends announcements may start to push on this currently very niche peripheral onto users some more.

Edited June 21, 20241 yr by MarcG

30 minutes ago, psolk said:

Affordable is a relative term and compared to what else is out there for FFB yokes it is "relatively" affordable

Affordable is relative, but relative to what. If relative to more expensive yoke options then it is clearly less costly. But affordable is a measure related to income so people naturally look at the statement from this point of view in which case $800 for a yoke is not so affordable for most people. In another context, a modest one bedroom apartment on 57th street in Manhattan that is not on leased land is about 1.2 million dollars, which is not particularly affordable for most people; but it is certainly affordable in relation to the cost of most other apartments that are in the 5 to 17 million dollar range. 

Edited June 21, 20241 yr by Cognita

Actually, CLS is an initialism, not an acronym. 🤓

Who is this company?  Have they produced any hardware before?

This isn't CLS (Commercial Level Simulations) is it?  Makers of the CLS DC-10 etc.?

1 hour ago, Paul K said:

Actually, CLS is an initialism, not an acronym. 🤓

Very true.

16 minutes ago, Mace said:

Who is this company?  Have they produced any hardware before?

This isn't CLS (Commercial Level Simulations) is it?  Makers of the CLS DC-10 etc.?

No, a new company but they seem to be well set up and are exhibiting at FSExpo this weekend.

https://flitesim.com

5 hours ago, Cognita said:

Affordable is relative, but relative to what. If relative to more expensive yoke options then it is clearly less costly. But affordable is a measure related to income so people naturally look at the statement from this point of view in which case $800 for a yoke is not so affordable for most people. In another context, a modest one bedroom apartment on 57th street in Manhattan that is not on leased land is about 1.2 million dollars, which is not particularly affordable for most people; but it is certainly affordable in relation to the cost of most other apartments that are in the 5 to 17 million dollar range. 

ok...but this is flight simulation, not real estate and thus, a very low ROI. Affordable is obviously relative, BUT, when you consider that the thrustmaster boeing yoke is like $300, and a brunner is near $3000, that changes things. Does the TM yoke get the job done? sure...but for $300, I'd expect more (because that is a lot of money to most people). Getting into higher end and more robust products that can simulate various aspects of control movement and input...$800 really isn't that bad considering you'll be using the yoke all the time. If this $800 yoke holds up, it makes the FFB market much more accessible to a wider market, furthering R&D, potentially lowering costs even further. This then, is the context. It's an investment into your hobby. If you're going to use it a bunch and get the most out of it, you can probably save for the yoke in a reasonable time frame. On the other hand, if you want the best of the best (brunner), that'll take the average person nearly 4 times as long to save for that yoke, assuming that people save up for flight simulation products.

So what we've managed to figure out in only 16 hours is that "affordable" means different things to different people.

 

Truly we are a thinktank. 😉

 

At first glance it might seem reasonable compared to the alternatives, but remember, if you don't live in Singapore,  expect an additional $180-$200 shipping charge. This unit really had better work great and tell you a bedtime story as well. Not really interested. 😜

9 hours ago, eslader said:

So what we've managed to figure out in only 16 hours is that "affordable" means different things to different people.

 

Truly we are a thinktank. 😉

 

😆 

I would love one of these but it is just to big to go into my current set up. I would imagine a brilliant add on for VR users.

The Microsoft Force Feedback Pro stick was released in 1997 and I used it extensively in FS and, if memory serves correctly, SubLogics ATP.  After releasing another, not so great model 2, these seemed to go the way of the dinosaur.

I mention the history because that model sold me on Force Feedback.  It added so much to the feel of flying.  The texture and surface of the runway, the feel of lifting off and situational awareness, even in those days was impressive.

Nice to see these coming back (for flight) with a few manufacturers.  With higher volume sales, I am hoping prices will come down a bit. 

Until then, I think many of us are hoping our Honeycombs hang in there.