1 hour ago, Noel said:

One gets the distinct sense if MS offered a free copy to you and offered to cover your internet fees you'd still stick with P3Tired.  Yep, that's what I call it, or P3Old, or P3Dead. 

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I'd say a little bit of sim vs sim talk is necessary, because without it, innovation would not have happened as quickly. I'm pretty sure Jorg has had enough of the flight model talk so now we're getting a more detailed CFD that goes to the horizon. I'm also sure Austin's team got tired of the ugly sim talk so they've convinced him to take the visuals of XP12 more seriously and are constantly improving the lighting and cloud depiction.

I deleted X-Plane 11 and have not missed it at all. Austin refused to accept that not everyone flies for the same reasons as him. Their user base may shrink considerably more after MSFS 2024 launches. Especially with the quality of 3rd party add-ons that are being now released frequently!

3 hours ago, styckx said:

Give Ray some grace. He's ok. 

I'm sure he's not a bad egg, and I'm certainly not advocating for any changes as I think he's hardly saying anything provocative enough to need restriction.

OTOH he does say it with enough frequency in enough threads / forums to make me wonder if it's become a core part of his psychology and world view. For example, if he goes into a greasy spoon (British version of diner), orders a fried egg sandwich, and is asked 'You want tea or coffee with that, luv?', is he responding 'Tea please. After all, Microsoft Flight Simulator does not, and likely never will, suit my needs'....?

Edited July 5, 20241 yr by scotchegg
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Yeah, not singling out Ray or anyone else, but as a relative newcomer to these forums, it’s quickly become clear that some people (in all three sim forums) are, shall we say, rather “wedded” to their sim of choice, and would love to debate/nit-pick endlessly. 

I’ve seen similar things in Mac/Windows forums, Linux forums, car forums and on and on. It’s just human nature, some people are like that. Nothing wrong with it per se, most of these people are likely perfectly lovely in “real life”.

After a couple of months you recognize the names and can either engage or skip, as the mood strikes. I prefer to skip, but I don’t mind reading the odd argument, as long as it doesn’t descend into puerile name calling.

All good fun, and again, not singling out anyone. These are just human archetypes ( I’m one as well, and I know it!) 

Edited July 5, 20241 yr by JonathanC

2 hours ago, JonathanC said:

Yeah, not singling out Ray or anyone else, but as a relative newcomer to these forums, it’s quickly become clear that some people (in all three sim forums) are, shall we say, rather “wedded” to their sim of choice, and would love to debate/nit-pick endlessly. 

I’ve seen similar things in Mac/Windows forums, Linux forums, car forums and on and on. It’s just human nature, some people are like that. Nothing wrong with it per se, most of these people are likely perfectly lovely in “real life”.

After a couple of months you recognize the names and can either engage or skip, as the mood strikes. I prefer to skip, but I don’t mind reading the odd argument, as long as it doesn’t descend into puerile name calling.

All good fun, and again, not singling out anyone. These are just human archetypes ( I’m one as well, and I know it!) 

Not all. Up until earlier this year, I had all 3. I have ditched P3D now but regularly fly both XP and MSFS. I may spend a couple of months in only one, but will then go back to the other. A lot depends on the aircraft I want to fly as I have completely different aircraft purchased for both sims. 

1 hour ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

Not all. Up until earlier this year, I had all 3. I have ditched P3D now but regularly fly both XP and MSFS. I may spend a couple of months in only one, but will then go back to the other. A lot depends on the aircraft I want to fly as I have completely different aircraft purchased for both sims. 

That's precisely my approach too. I've always been platform-agnostic and have invested heavily in all of them over the years. The issue with P3D is that it's now so far behind the competition that I'd rather use the disk space for my MSFS community folder or XP Orthoscenery.

20 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

This is only of academic interest to me but surely if MSFS2024 becomes more server heavy / client light they would need to beef up their end considerably. But by how much if they don’t know how many people will transition to the new version.

In theory it helps those with limited storage space but only if the servers can remain stable and continuously available.

this is a trivially easy thing to do in the era of cloud computing

16 hours ago, ifred said:

Regarding the money they are making right now with the integration of AI-Services into Azure I would say that the Flightsim community is their lowest priority.

cloud computing is entirely commoditised, you spend the money, you get the resource

MSFS is insanely profitable and won't be competing against other projects in MS for cloud resource, it's more than "wiping it's own ****" as we say in the UK 😁

Edited July 5, 20241 yr by EGLD

I couldn't for the life of me remember who's said exactly what. Just that there's been a huge chorus of praise for 2020 and its seemingly only rightful heir 2024. Parrots keep screeching about how all the other sims are dead. Feels a bit like Salman Rushdie when one expresses the slightest doubt on here.

My main points of curiosity for 2024, I haven't been able to figure out yet, or maybe not public information yet:

1) Will there be a normal pause function like in P3D that you could use for PMDG's TOD, where you can see whether both your time and fuel planning worked out? Despite all the lengthy explanations, this is still missing in 2020.

2) Will the weather radar work at least as well as it does in P3D?

31 minutes ago, Antipodeslonghaul said:

1) Will there be a normal pause function like in P3D that you could use for PMDG's TOD, where you can see whether both your time and fuel planning worked out? Despite all the lengthy explanations, this is still missing in 2020.

2) Will the weather radar work at least as well as it does in P3D?

We don't know yet.

 

31 minutes ago, Antipodeslonghaul said:

Feels a bit like Salman Rushdie when one expresses the slightest doubt on here.

Pretty much a done deal for P3D at least

Don't want to BUY anything for P3D, but already have so much stuff, mostly older aircraft, that haven't yet and might never appear in MSFS, and P3D does many things better than MSFS, so I'll keep it and keep flying it occasionally. 

I'm sure P3d does SOME things better than MSFS. P3d excelled in one area, though: crushing your wallet, because you needed to spend at least a couple of Bennies right out of the gate just to make it look halfway decent. 

Edited July 5, 20241 yr by Ricardo41

11 hours ago, JonathanC said:

I’ve seen similar things in Mac/Windows forums, Linux forums

How about VHS vs Betamax?  Showing my advancing age here...  There were no fora back then, though.

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5 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

I'm sure P3d does SOME things better than MSFS. P3d excelled in one area, though: crushing your wallet, because you needed to spend at least a couple of Bennies right out of the gate just to make it look halfway decent. 

That....is for "normal' P3D buyers.  Me, I took the EULA literally and paid $200 for V2, $200 for V3 and $200 for V4.  My rationale was it was the best show in town and that's what it cost if you did not fit their criteria for an Academic license.  And then as you point out Ricardo41 the ORBX FTX regional scenery purchases commenced, and the others as well.  Along comes MSFS and voila, worldwide massive scenery and atmospherics visuals and performance upgrades for a grand total of $119.95, or thereabouts.

Discussing of the EULA was forbidden here I recall.  And then, Lockheed Martin, purveyor of weapons of mass destruction, loosened up the EULA.  Now one can appreciate why I have a bad taste in my mouth!