2 hours ago, Rusty Spanner said:

I've never really understood the attraction of being an unpaid Beta Tester.

But you guys knock yourselves out

Sometimes they pay for it, too. Couldn't agree more

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

If Asobo would have warned for the dissappearing addons and settings then people could have made backups.

...they did warn, in the SU1 beta announcement:

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MS Store PC Users: There is always a risk that you may have to re-install the sim when joining/leaving a flight, so please keep this in mind before participating.

If you have MSFS content installed completely on a custom path, you will have a much lower chance that a full re-install will be necessary when the update is officially released. However, if your sim content is installed in the default path selected by the in-game content manager, you may have to reinstall the whole sim when moving from the test build to the public build. We recommend that those who wish to test with us ensure your sim content is located in a custom path before joining the flight to avoid full reinstallations in the future (Details on how to do this can be found here). The best set up would be for your store app to live on the default 😄 drive and sim content on a custom drive.

The problem is many people are treating the betas as a feature/bugfix instead of a beta. People who do not want to risk their sim getting hosed should not be participating. People who come here to complain and don't contribute to bug reports in the official forum are just making extra noise.

I participated in one beta for 2020, and the first thing I did when that SU went live was remove myself from the beta program so I wouldn't get thrown into future betas as well. I don't want to risk my career and activity progression in 2024 and have decided not to participate in any betas. Others should probably be making the same decision.

Because it is a beta. All of the main features are implemented but stability issues may be present.

Geez... My original post was not a criticism of MS/Asobo - it was an observation

I participate in the Beta program because I enjoy working on computer problems.  Started as a NASA programmer 56-years ago and have been tinkering with system problems/measurement/tuning ever since.  I spent decades working on application tuning and refinement.  

Windows and MS Flight Sim are heavily instrumented and are fun and informative to investigate.   I look forward to the Beta because it presents new issues and more details about old issues.

I sympathize with MS/Asobo in regards to their debugging or working on problems caused by the enormous complexity of multiple pieces of hardware and thousands of user written addon software items.  There is no possible way for them to try all combinations of software and hardware. Just this user has two platforms running different versions of windows, four different controllers, a VR headset, four different GPUs and just my 2024 compatible library contains hundreds of addons.  Some of those addons, e.g. Map Enhancement, AutoFPS, Lossless Scaling, Xs and Ohs, dig deep into the Asobo environment.  Others just use standard APIs.  How can we expect MS/Asobo to test the infinite possibilites>

OTH - not fixing the VR mouse issue (using the ESC/Menu disconnects the cursor from interactibility) is a head scratcher. How can they ignore such a fundamental problem?

I, for one, am glad the Beta 2 was offered and am perfectly happy documenting and working thru the issues. 

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

as I uninstalled FS24.

Always an option. And unlike a bad marriage dissolved it’s quite easy to get “reacquainted” once again if you hear from friends and see with your own eyes that your scorned lover is now redeemed and worthy of a second (or a third, fourth…) chance.

-B

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by btacon

Ah! 

Time to return to Xp12 for a while 🙂

Sorry dude but maybe because it's Beta!  lol

dd

If it were possible to run a second, completely firewalled install as a beta I'd be very happy to sign up and test stuff out. But without that, forget it.

1 hour ago, MarcG said:

badly with regards to a proper Bug Reporting System and any form of Systematic Testing needs by the developers

That's not always true. Sometimes they have targets, but with patches this big, it's probably harder.

The beta forums have a style guide for reporting bugs.

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

1 hour ago, Funky D said:

The problem is many people are treating the betas as a feature/bugfix instead of a beta

What choice do they have when the program was released in the state it was? They’re just treating the beta as a way in to a working program, to use it in a state that it should have been in at release! IE left with no choice. 

4 hours ago, DavidP said:

Maybe it's because it's a "Beta"?

I was going to post similar, however you nailed it.

Over so many forums, Facebook pages and discords, you see so many virtual pilots complaining about the SU2 Beta.

Seriously?  It is an Update Beta.  Performance will vary as the devs fine tune and play around with it.

Simple answer is just go back to SU1 if SU2 Beta is causing you grief.

Jase

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

The idea of beta testing is to keep using the product to find all the bugs, not to bail out when you get an issue, and go to the non beta product.  

How do you suggest I do that when SU2 crashes on my system 15 seconds after I get in the cockpit?  I have reported the CTD to MS and supplied them with requested information.

When I can actually fly in SU2, I will do so.

1 minute ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

How do you suggest I do that when SU2 crashes on my system 15 seconds after I get in the cockpit?  I have reported the CTD to MS and supplied them with requested information.

When I can actually fly in SU2, I will do so.

I'm pretty sure that if you let them know what is going on that they will fix it.

dd

 

2 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

I'm pretty sure that if you let them know what is going on that they will fix it.

dd

Yes, which is why...

 

5 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I have reported the CTD to MS and supplied them with requested information.

 

I am surprised so many supposedly "seasoned" simmers have signed up to a beta then complain that "this doesn't work", "that is no good". 

It's a bit like moving next door to the local airport then complaining about noise.

I signed up an accept that I'm going to have to put up with things "warts and all" until it is nutted out - my choice.