2 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Sí. La gente lleva años pidiendo mejoras en el ATC (una parte fundamental del vuelo; uno pensaría que un simulador de vuelo lo conseguiría primero, o al menos lo haría medianamente respetable)  y la IA, entre otras cosas, y no han hecho caso. Parece que ahora están olvidados. Incluso lanzaron un nuevo simulador sin ninguna mejora; de hecho, empeoró. 

Is it really a flight simulator for Asobo or do they have another plan in mind?

3 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Exactly, so when people baulk at having to purchase scenery in 12.2, to bring it up to standard, I just do not get it. Theyre happy to do that with ATC and AI traffic and airports in MSFS. Make it make sense. 

Uh oh, he's trying to sell Xplane again here on an MSFS forum thread.  It's real simple Ian:  many love to use MSFS 2020 and now 2024.  Tens of thousands of users, 1000's of hours of use by novices and accomplished RW pilots alike.   Just installed ChasePlane for 2020 and loving that as well including its version of physics.   When you spend $4K on hardware, and $119 on the base sim, coughing up a few more dollars here and there to address shortcomings is hardly worth talking about.

I gave up on the FS2020's  ATC a long time ago. I run FS-ATC-Chatter, and fill in the rest with my imagination. Of course, this depends entirely on how seriously one takes flight simulation, but it certainly suits me. Not that much bothered about AI traffic either, having tried out a couple of add-ons. I think the bottom line is that, instead of putting up with something that constantly disrupts the immersion, I'd rather have nothing at all. Flight simming is a lot less frustrating that way.

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

Uh oh, he's trying to sell Xplane again here on an MSFS forum thread.  It's real simple Ian:  many love to use MSFS 2020 and now 2024.  Tens of thousands of users, 1000's of hours of use by novices and accomplished RW pilots alike.   Just installed ChasePlane for 2020 and loving that as well including its version of physics.   When you spend $4K on hardware, and $119 on the base sim, coughing up a few more dollars here and there to address shortcomings is hardly worth talking about.

Uh oh, no 'he's' not. 'He' is offering a subjective comparison. Something 'you' cant seem to grasp?

I didn't say they didnt love to use it, did I? I pointed out one of its flaws.  Plenty people love driving Fords. Doesnt make Ford the greatest does it?

Chaseplane, another £$ addon that should be in the base sim. Basic functions made so complicated. 

If coughing up a few more dollars is 'worth it' then why the outcry when people say 12.2 scenery is awful unless you spend £?$? Now thats is a contradiction. 

"is hardly worth talking about.", yet here you are, debating it with me? 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

They don't want us to call anyone liars but 99% of people here already know that you don't need to spend money on the other simulator to have a decent scenario, it's one of the lies that is constantly repeated.

I personally have had to spend a lot more money on scenery for MFS than for the other sim because the default airports are so bad in general and there aren't always free versions. They talked a long time ago about doing something similar to the other simulator with the community to get the community to help with the default airports but I guess it was just another spur of the moment thing.

6 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Uh oh, no 'he's' not.

Un oh, yes he is, one more time, over and over on an MSFS forum.

On 4/30/2025 at 1:47 AM, UltimateAntic said:

Didn't they just release a city update for both sims?

When I look into your post history, I seriously think you need to touch some grass.

Tbf, a city update which has caused massive blurring issues at KDEN and KDFW with 3rd party or default airports so they screwed that one up pretty spectacularly as well.

8 hours ago, Rimshot said:

Not gonna spend any time on this, but I also remember you as a very strong supporter of one specific P3D release. Nothing wrong with that though 😉

I guess if you have nothing really to contribute to this thread, your post is as good as anything. 🤔

37 minutes ago, Noel said:

Un oh, yes he is, one more time, over and over on an MSFS forum.

Noel, ‘he’ isn’t. You need to get a grip old chap. 
 

PS I see you avoided answering my valid points. 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

Well you join us on Page 19 and it's gripping stuff folks, which grown adult is going to have the last word??

2 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

or do they have another plan in mind?

The same as it always was, making money from the kids gamer market and not the older more niche "simmers" market.

My best mate the other day asked me if i could show his 13 year old son how to use "his new sim",  sure I said, and around to the house I went thinking I would have to teach him effects on controls and how to use the autopilot on the 787, whatever...

His 13 year old kid when I got there then asked me how to fly the darkstar from Singapore to JFK to show his mates at school.    Point made.

 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by fluffyflops

As we all know, Microsoft makes 2 versions: 2020 and 2024. Buy the one you want. Both are going to be supported for years to come. Personally I like them both. But since 2024 sim and it's flights boot up in about 1/4 the time, it's the one I use.

1 hour ago, fluffyflops said:

The same as it always was, making money from the kids gamer market and not the older more niche "simmers" market.

Comically nonsense talking point 🤣 as always, and no matter how many times this is repeated it doesn't become truer, unfortunately for those with agendas who dearly want this to be true.

Perhaps it's hard to grasp this concept, but try to: it is entirely possible to make a sim platform that appeals to various user segments and needs, without needing to compromise on one aspect or another, given the right amount of resource and funding (which MS has in spades).

If their only plan was "making money from the kids gamer market" then why did they for example bother spending resource on developing such high fidelity avionics in the sim as default?, or bother with esoteric stuff like computational fluid dynamics for flight and airflow modelling, and all the other numerous features/capabilities which "kids gamers" wouldn't care about? And newsflash, the big money they are making are from the older more serious simmers who spend the big bucks on high fidelity add-ons etc (no wonder then how a vast majority of the big reputable high fidelity add-on developers are focusing on MSFS).

And oh.. as with last year, and the year before, the "older niche simmers" market quite likes the MSFS platform looks like, like *considerably* so: https://navigraph.com/blog/survey-2024 ... so much so that it's increased to 77% choosing the MSFS platform as their primary sim, first place 52% to 2020, second place 25% to 2024 (not bad for such a badly launched sim in its initial months before SU1), and third place 12% for another sim platform. These are from a pool of 23,000+ serious simmers who also said that their top priorities in sim aircraft (section 3.5.7) are systems depth, realism/authenticity of aircraft, flight model accuracy, visual fidelity in that order. I dunno, sounds like "older more niche simmers" to me (if one were to go by the naive and dense assumption that only older users can be interested in realistic simming)

The OP of this thread always makes over-the-top posts and that's his style.. I personally think he just does it for kicks, although the comedy value is lesser now given the repeat and stale material. What I really find amusing however are all the predictable suspects who jump on threads like this to try and dump on MS/Asobo/MSFS, and/or push their agendas or other sims they simp for.
 

Edited May 2, 20251 yr by lwt1971

I completely understand why someone would have a preference for one version over the other. What I don't understand, and find a bit fascinating, is why people care or get angry/hostile over someone else's preference. This is true of a lot of things. I love photography and it is really something to see how heated threads will get because a photographer prefers one brand of camera over another. You also see it here with the anger over which aircraft developer someone may like. How many thread have had to be shut down because of it?

7 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Yup. People have been asking for improved ATC (A fundamental part of flying, you'd think a flightsim would nail this first, or at least make it semi-respectable) and AI for years, amongst other things, and it landed on deaf ears. Seems to be just forgotten now. They even released a new sim without a whiff of improvement, in fact it got worse. 

Has any flight sim ever really done "AI" ATC well...?

I feel like this is an evergreen topic, regardless of sim or sim version....?