On 4/27/2023 at 1:21 AM, turbomax said:

I prefer it - especially without working circuit breakers. 😄

So do I :-) Hey, what is the point of "working circuit breakers" - why are so many people so keen on them and expect them? Do they switch them on or off before the fly or even better in flight?

How could a generation of flightsimmers get along three decades without "working cirkuit brakers"?

1 hour ago, PTI139 said:

So do I 🙂 Hey, what is the point of "working circuit breakers" - why are so many people so keen on them and expect them? Do they switch them on or off before the fly or even better in flight?

How could a generation of flightsimmers get along three decades without "working cirkuit brakers"?

Working circuit breakers are an indicator for extreme systems depth, which many flight simmers like („as real as it gets“), because they have effects on multiple interconnected systems and you therefore have to have those systems modelled very well, otherwise you cannot model circuit breakers bevhaviour.
As for usage: They are only used in case of problems (in flight sim terms: „failures“).

After the initial negativity from a lot of people (mainly due lack of documentation and people not operating it correctly due to this), I have found I actually quite like the thing, and I can see this ugly duckling gradually turning into a swan with a few decent updates.

The official videos, and videos from people like Jonathon Beckett, have been really useful.  If MS had put the videos out on day of release or even just before, it might have stopped a lot of the misunderstanding. 

Apart from putting airways in the MCDU (a known bug), it is possible to get a really decent, enjoyable, and rewarding flight out of it.  I actually quite like the systems, and some of the things done to make it more usable, like the hidden click-spots, and the information and customisation available from the pad.  Simbrief has a way of importing now as well, so probably the best tenner I have spent in a sim!  

Edited April 28, 20233 yr by bobcat999

Video on the ATR out ths morning from 320 Sim Pilot, who in his flying career, didnt fly the ATR but the Dash 8 Q-400. Its 90 minutes long and I found it really informative as well as entertaining.

 

Edited April 28, 20233 yr by Vel

After a couple of days of running with the herd, these Youtube tutorials have convinced me the ATR isn't as flawed as first reported. Bought it, and so far I think its £10.74 well spent. I'll get the Transall too, of course.

I'm pretty sure people just love to jump on the circle jerk without attempting to form any opinion of their own. Majroity of the people jumping on the circle jerk hadn't even tried the plane or attempted to transfer their knowledge of a completetly different aircraft and had the same expectations. Simple things like not knowing it had advisory VNAV.

Boggles my mind that an ATR pilot decided to do a thesis on all that's wrong with a £10 product expecting some kind of Level D Simulator.

4 hours ago, PTI139 said:

So do I :-) Hey, what is the point of "working circuit breakers" - why are so many people so keen on them and expect them? Do they switch them on or off before the fly or even better in flight?

How could a generation of flightsimmers get along three decades without "working cirkuit brakers"?

as far as I know the only airliner with working CB's modelled ist PSX B744 or is there an other AC (airliner) available? Best regards

 

I do wonder what’s going on with the FMC lock ups.  I’ve done three flights and haven’t had one yet.  I wonder if I’ve just been lucky or if there’s another system specific issue at play? 

33 minutes ago, cseu said:

as far as I know the only airliner with working CB's modelled ist PSX B744 or is there an other AC (airliner) available? Best regards

 

Fenix A320 and Majestic Q400 come to mind.

1 hour ago, cseu said:

as far as I know the only airliner with working CB's modelled ist PSX B744 or is there an other AC (airliner) available? Best regards

 

Fenix A320 and Leonardo MD80 both have working CBs.

Edited April 28, 20233 yr by Gilandred

48 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

Fenix A320 and Leonardo MD80 both have working CBs.

PMDG 737??

 

Edited April 28, 20233 yr by Bobsk8

14 hours ago, Violins77 said:

I guess my question is, does the ATR pulls nav data from the sim or it has it's own embedded copy of the MSFS navblue database that needs to be updated separately? And if it is the case, can it be updated with Navigraph?

The ATR appears to be using her own database:

I had planned to do a short test flight from Greater Cumberland Regl (KCBR) to Grant Co (W99) yesterday but the FMC would not accept W99 ("Not in Database").

However, W99 is definitely in the MSFS database as well as in Navigraph which I use.

9 minutes ago, asanosho said:

The ATR appears to be using her own database:

I had planned to do a short test flight from Greater Cumberland Regl (KCBR) to Grant Co (W99) yesterday but the FMC would not accept W99 ("Not in Database").

However, W99 is definitely in the MSFS database as well as in Navigraph which I use.

I hope that this gets changed in order to stay more up-to-date and accurate.

38 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

PMDG 737.

 

not  true  bob  don't  know  where  you  got  that idea  from,  yes  they  are  modeled  in the  aircraft but your  not  able  to pull  them  at all and  there  are  no  plans  in the  future  to model  them in the future. 

2 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

not  true  bob  don't  know  where  you  got  that idea  from,  yes  they  are  modeled  in the  aircraft but your  not  able  to pull  them  at all and  there  are  no  plans  in the  future  to model  them in the future. 

Seems you left the ??? out of your quote of my post.....😉

Edited April 28, 20233 yr by Bobsk8