FS2024, are you at all bracing for disappointed?

[UrgentSiesta]

20 hours ago, VeryBumpy said:

From what's been shown, I'm curious how many are actually anxious to quickly shell out $120. You know you'll need the Ultimate version or some of the coolest missions won't be available to complete.

Thinking of it differently, what features or expectations must FS2024 contain in order for you to be completely happy about dropping coin and side stepping into a very similar flight sim?

The only thing that really bugs me is the possible impairment of already purchased 3rd party addons.

I don't think anyone who is generally satisfied with v2020 is going to be disappointed.

IMHO, the primary thing to keep in mind is that v2024 is an evolutionary upgrade. A BIG one, for sure. But it's not (likely) to be the very rough diamond that was released 4 years ago.

And I don't mind the $120 "Premium Deluxe" pricing. When I look at the cost of payware to duplicate the extras, it's a no-brainer value prop. 

Not to mention MS/Asobo's historic cornucopia of free content over the last 4 years (completely unprecedented in Flight Sim).

What's "very similar" about it? Pretty much everything will be upgraded, and a lot of new stuff added. The "very similar" stuff, as above, will only benefit the end user experience. And don't forget that MS Asobo have a decided focus on improving downloads/streaming/etc.

Based on the recent upgrade from X-Plane v11 to v12, I fully expect some devs to need time to get their addons adjusted for the new features. Though I *think* the v2020 to v2024 experience won't be as drastic as XP's, so should be smoother in general.

I'll get it shortly after release, probably 2 weeks to a month, just to let the ruckus die down and the inevitable initial hot fixes get published, etc.

In other words, I categorically expect to be pleased with the upgrade rather than disappointed.

Edited August 24, 2024 by UrgentSiesta

[Bigmack]

I will be purchasing when it releases. Why not. A lot has been updated and changed since the early days of FS2000 and FS 2004, people saying they will stick with older versions. In order to keep this hobby alive and growing, we must support it..I'm aware it's going to have its quirks and faults, but all oof them have. I'm building a new system now to try to accommodate FS 2024 and hopefully It'll last to the next iteration of Flight Simulator.

[Christopher Low]

My purchase decisions are based on whether I want something or not. Keeping the industry alive has nothing to do with it.

[Farlis]

21 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

I'm all in on day one.

I would be too, but the release falls into a week of busy schedules. So I will probably not get it before December 1st.

[lwt1971]

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I can see your point, BUT this ain't the bad ole days of 2020 any longer...

Many of the high fidelity addons have good/very good/excellent flight dynamics. Along with a handful of the Default addons, as well.

.....

It's really a matter of being highly selective about your addon purchases, regardless of the simulator, and ensuring that the 3rd Party Dev focuses on accurate flight dynamics rather than just Hi Fi Systems/Avionics.

 

Spot on.. now that said I'm here for any and all improvements coming in MSFS 2024 in flight dynamics and physics, ease of aircraft development, ground handling and the ground<->air transition model, etc.

What I do wonder (and suspect) is that it's going have to be up to the aircraft devs to take advantage of the new features.. that is, I don't think any of the core sim flight dynamics improvements will automatically apply to all aircraft. Some of the improvements very well may, but given how all high fidelity aircraft FMs have been highly tuned and adjusted for the current sim (including fudge factors and workarounds), I'd assume Asobo won't make any changes globally that upends those FMs.. so any improvements and new flight dynamics features are likely to be opt-in features that devs have to adopt? Just my hunches here, let's wait to hear more in the upcoming deep dives and feature videos. 

[ca_metal]

3 hours ago, Abriael said:

Imagine thinking that pilots don't "actually" walk around their aircraft. 😂

The more time passes, the more it feels that a lot of the real pilot roleplayers around the community don't really have a very clear idea of what it's really "like to be a pilot." 

Also, imagine thinking pilots don’t do missions, right? We all know real pilots spend all their time on checklists and pushing buttons.

[TASCHMANN]

I'm going to wait. 

The memory of the frustration of at least the first two years of MSFS is still fresh.  I don't intend to be another unpaid beta tester for years while the experience-ruining bugs and missing features are attended to.  Can anything be called a flight simulator if it still can't accurately simulate a crosswind landing in a 172?   Will 2024 be able to do so; if not there is little reason for me to buy it.

 I'll also need verification from reliable sources that my third party planes actually work as promised by Asobo.  Having to re-purchase any of them will be a deal breaker for me. But the real cost to me of MS2020 was not the purchase price of the sim--it was the time of tweaking, testing, and searching the forums that I will never get back--hundreds of hours spent not flying but fixing.  

Beta testing is work...somebody else's work...like the one's who are getting paid for the product.

It's just that there's so much wishful thinking and exuberant speculation but no reliable facts about what the noticeable improvements will be. All the vagueness and lack of honesty feels a little like August 2020.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2024 by TASCHMANN

[polosim]

4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

but only those that prove they've got something worth spending on.

And Microsoft Flight Simulator are not worth it? ... That's what i mean.

Edited August 24, 2024 by polosim

[109Sqn]

20 minutes ago, TASCHMANN said:

 

I'II also need verification from reliable sources that my third party planes actually work as promised by Asobo.  Having to re-purchase any of them will be a deal breaker for me.

 

I'd be waiting for the same. I bought Premium Deluxe after testing the sim with a free trial of Game Pass. In the time since, I've replaced many of the extra airports and aircraft with better add-ons. If they are to be compatible, it will take more to entice me to buy more than a basic version (assuming there will actually be multiple versions).

 

Additionally, I will wait to see what hardware upgrades may be needed or advantageous over my current setup as I may by then be in a position to build or buy a new rig. With all the above in mind, I'm quite happy to wait and see what the feedback is like for the first few weeks and potentially months before making a decision. No rush for me, especially as I have far bigger demands on my finances in the months ahead.

 

 

To answer the question actually asked, I'm certainly prepared for the potential of disappointment. And I'm far less likely to be disappointed if I bide my time...

 

[regis9]

I’m very happy with MSFS 2020, really the happiest I’ve been with any sim.  I look at MSFS2024 as being iterative, and anything that further enhances by simming experience beyond my already happy place will be well received.

I’m certainly not sitting here a few months from release wondering how it might disappoint me. 🤦‍♂️ 

Edited August 24, 2024 by regis9

[UrgentSiesta]

2 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

I don't think any of the core sim flight dynamics improvements will automatically apply to all aircraft.

Exactly. And that would mirror my experience in the XP 11 to 12 upgrade. There are some addons there that (still, somehow...) haven't been fully updated and quite frankly, they don't fly well any longer. And so I don't fly them any longer 😉

I agree that v2020 to v2024 is likely to be far less disruptive, at least based on my understanding of Jorg/Seb's strategy. But then again, Austin made the same assertions and in many cases it didn't pan out until the devs made changes. So we'll have to wait and see...

At the end of the day, tho, my strategy will be the same as it was with XP: a LOT of the addons, and particularly the Defaults, will work just fine on Day 1. And that will do me just fine until the rest of them get fixed. 🤙

 No stones being thrown - it's very difficult to make a great omelette without breaking at least a couple eggs 🙂

[Abriael]

1 hour ago, ca_metal said:

Also, imagine thinking pilots don’t do missions, right? We all know real pilots spend all their time on checklists and pushing buttons.

Let's not even talk aboout enjoying "pebbles and rivers" because obviously bush flying is not a thing in some people's heads. 😂

[UrgentSiesta]

11 minutes ago, polosim said:

And Microsoft Flight Simulator are not worth it? ... That's what i mean.

I misunderstood - please accept my apologies.

[UrgentSiesta]

53 minutes ago, TASCHMANN said:

I'm going to wait. 

The memory of the frustration of at least the first two years of MSFS is still fresh.  I don't intend to be another unpaid beta tester for years while the experience-ruining bugs and missing features are attended to.

I'll also need verification from reliable sources that my third party planes actually work as promised by Asobo.  Having to re-purchase any of them will be a deal breaker for me.

It's just that there's so much wishful thinking and exuberant speculation but no reliable facts about what the noticeable improvements will be. All the vagueness and lack of honesty feels a little like August 2020.

All good to wait, but the v2020 experience was, quite literally, a new, untried, and unknown experience for everyone (including Asobo!).

MS & Asobo have proven over and over again they have the resources, skills & drive to ensure the product is continually improved.

There WILL be issues with v2024, so again, it's wise to wait a bit to see what's actually delivered.

Your last sentence, however, is woefully uninformed and inaccurate. There are plenty of facts in evidence.

And the best part is you'll know within just a day or so of release what the issues are and whether it makes sense for you to upgrade.

[Bobsk8]

1 hour ago, TASCHMANN said:

I'm going to wait. 

The memory of the frustration of at least the first two years of MSFS is still fresh.  I don't intend to be another unpaid beta tester for years while the experience-ruining bugs and missing features are attended to.  Can anything be called a flight simulator if it still can't accurately simulate a crosswind landing in a 172?   Will 2024 be able to do so; if not there is little reason for me to buy it.

 I'll also need verification from reliable sources that my third party planes actually work as promised by Asobo.  Having to re-purchase any of them will be a deal breaker for me. But the real cost to me of MS2020 was not the purchase price of the sim--it was the time of tweaking, testing, and searching the forums that I will never get back--hundreds of hours spent not flying but fixing.  

Beta testing is work...somebody else's work...like the one's who are getting paid for the product.

It's just that there's so much wishful thinking and exuberant speculation but no reliable facts about what the noticeable improvements will be. All the vagueness and lack of honesty feels a little like August 2020.

 

 

I have been flying MSFS 2020 since it went on sale Compared to the tweaking and testing I did with FSX and P3D, MSFS 2020 worked right away. After an initial problem I had with my new PC, which the manufacturer fixed , I think I have had at most 2 CTDs in thousands of hours of flying. You must have something seriously wrong with you rig, to experience the problems you say you had.