On 8/23/2024 at 5:38 PM, Bartul said:

Day one. Basic version. Never missed those few planes and airports.

How much the Basic will be?

2 minutes ago, Vitold69 said:

How much the Basic will be?

60 or 70USD, we don’t know yet.

As far as I know, no pricing information has been shared. Not even edition info. 

4 minutes ago, Abriael said:

As far as I know, no pricing information has been shared. Not even edition info. 

Yeah, they didn’t say anything about pricing and editions. Just a guess.

2 hours ago, Abriael said:

It's obvious that Microsoft Flight Simulator's fleet of default aircraft is by far superior to any other sim, and not only any other sim on the market right now, but any other sim in history. And it isn't even close considering that it's a miracle if commercial sims have one or two basic planes that are half-decent.

Sorry, that may be true related to avionics but not in general. There is a very important feature where MSFS'flightmodel is lacking big times: inertia isn't simulated correctly. Try to fly one of these default aircrafts full or empty and they will behave exactly the same. The ground-behaviour is also not good as almost everyone agrees with. So your statement is wrong and just one of these "my sim is by far superior" statements leading to nothing.

4 hours ago, VeryBumpy said:

People keep mentioning flight model. Accurate or not, with the planes you fly, what in your opinion is wrong with the flight modeling?

I feel like the flight modeling is truly very good its just the feedback from flight is not visceral enough i.e. the sim needs both something like Accu-Feel and EZdok to provide proper plane reaction perception for everyone.

Watch my videos on YT and you'll understand.

I'm honestly excited. I know there will be bugs but I've seen 4 years of Asobo doing what they can to give us a quality product.

 

33 minutes ago, Lotharen said:

I'm honestly excited. I know there will be bugs but I've seen 4 years of Asobo doing what they can to give us a quality product.

 

Yes, feel the same way.  Really looking forward to it and also to take part in the next stage of Asobo’s journey.

7 hours ago, Franz007 said:

There is a very important feature where MSFS'flightmodel is lacking big times: inertia isn't simulated correctly. Try to fly one of these default aircrafts full or empty and they will behave exactly the same

This is my biggest complaint about FM in MSFS, and leads to very twitchy, overly-responsive behaviour.

13 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

This is my biggest complaint about FM in MSFS, and leads to very twitchy, overly-responsive behaviour.

Seb didn’t give any details but he said getting out of the runways would be felt by us, as I understood it, the kind of surfaces will matter now. That’s because of the new flight physics according to him. Also Jörg said it was important to observe where you are landing because it would matter now (grass runways for example).

Also, as a side note, they’ve improved that for some airplanes, the ones that got updated with the new flight model (C172 and Cabri).

Sim Update 15 patch notes:

Ground Contact Resolution Improvements

• More accurate ground contact model.
• Optional soft ground collision model for tires / flexible gears.
• Enabled new soft gears on C172 and Cabri.
• New high accuracy physics system to enable vibrations and micro movements.

Edited August 27, 20241 yr by ca_metal

I'll join the chorus of simmers on this thread to simply say that I've also used the other sim too extensively before MSFS came along.. and now with MSFS as it stands in 2024 along with the numerous high fidelity 3rd party and default aircraft available for it, I see no advantage in flight dynamics in other sims, except for ground handling and the ground<->air transition model. With a well developed aircraft and FM in the hands of the right developer, MSFS can be equally enjoyed for flight dynamics.. from the likes of the PMDG 777/737, iniBuilds A300, Fenix V2, default Citation Longitude, to many others.

Now re: the specific area of ground handling, with the improvements that came in MSFS 2020 SU15, in the aircraft that take advantage of the new FM parameters this is greatly improved IMO (as seen in the Fenix that has implemented this, the default G1000 C172, and the iniBuilds A300 as they demonstrated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4cxNccH66U&t=1318s) .. and this was a partial backport of the fuller rework coming in MSFS 2024 so I eagerly await to see what that pans out to be, and hopefully they've addressed the ground<->air transition modelling too. Even for that, aircraft devs can choose to override with their own custom modelling like Fenix chose to do in the very latest update for the flare logic and ground effect.
 

9 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Sorry, that may be true related to avionics but not in general. There is a very important feature where MSFS'flightmodel is lacking big times: inertia isn't simulated correctly. Try to fly one of these default aircrafts full or empty and they will behave exactly the same. The ground-behaviour is also not good as almost everyone agrees with. So your statement is wrong and just one of these "my sim is by far superior" statements leading to nothing.

Oh look it's Franz trotting out his "inertia" talking point again along with a healthy dose of predictable and laughable hyperbole like "MSFS flight model is lacking big time". Are you still basing this claim on your personal experience with the default ini A310? As was told to you before, its heft and weight is certainly simulated, where its inertia is obviously conveyed. In terms of it behaving "exactly the same" whether full or empty that either comes down to the specific FM for that bird not being modelled fully, or maybe due to the fly-by-wire control that handle the aircraft appropriately which then translates to no perceptible difference being observed by the pilot between light and heavy loads. If there truly is some incorrect behaviour that likely lies with the particular FM of the 310 where it doesn't react differently to different load weights.

Besides the ini A310, have you personally used other high fidelity heavies in MSFS to test this claim of yours about inertia in the air? The PMDG 777, iniBuilds A300, Fenix A320 V2/B2 etc all have been tested extensively by actual experts that have lauded their flight dynamics, their hand flying feel, etc (the likes of IRL pilots like V1-Simulations and 320 Sim Pilot who're type rated on these birds, long time simmers who've used all sims, and are as unbiased as they come). If you have videos or other evidence to prove your claim let's see them. But if all this is just based on your experience of the A310 that says nothing about the sim's flight dynamics in general.

Edited August 27, 20241 yr by lwt1971

It will be a day one purchase for me.

The add-on point is an important one though.

My thinking is developers will want to update their add-on scenery, after the release of 2024, to take advantage of new techniques and capabilities in order to enhance their offerings.

So I reckon we will ultimately end up re-paying for add-ons we have already purchased.  Cheers,

Calum

26 minutes ago, Seabass said:

.....My thinking is developers will want to update their add-on scenery, after the release of 2024, to take advantage of new techniques and capabilities in order to enhance their offerings. So I reckon we will ultimately end up re-paying for add-ons we have already purchased......

Only if we want to have those extra features and enhancements. I am betting that existing airport scenery addons will work in MSFS 2024 right off the bat, and that is all that matters to me.

Edited August 27, 20241 yr by Christopher Low

8 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Only if we want to have those extra features and enhancements. I am betting that existing airport scenery addons will work in MSFS 2024 right off the bat, and that is all that matters to me.

Yeah i agree.  I think they will too.

However, I don't think it will be long before updated and enhanced versions of these products are made available at a cost - which I don't have an issue with.  Cheers,

Calum

2024 will be better than 2020, so a day one Deluxe purchase for me.

I'll quit 2020 and remove it when my purchased add-ons are working on 2024 (hopefully within a few weeks if the devs are on the ball.) I can bin some other games temporarily to create room for both sims.

I don't see this as being the same as the release of FSX which was so controversial it created a genre of Downfall parody videos.