Great reality check & v2024 summary from Sergio. He might be a helo guy, but he's pretty smart, anyway 😉

https://www.helisimmer.com/articles/6-things-community-getting-wrong-msfs2024

If you don't know him, he's fairly prominent in the rotary wing sim community and was an attendee at the recent media preview event for v2024.

Very reasonable and level headed guy.

 

Edited September 25, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta
Clarification

In my opinion, before the launch of any iteration of flight sim, there’s always a bunch of people up in arms like grown up angry toddlers making assumptions. 
 

Then after release they realise it’s not so bad and it all goes quiet again. 
 

Im all for input and opinions on what should be improved, but people jump to conclusions before even getting the product.

MSFS2020 was going to be subscription based, it’s going to be a game not a sim, it’s catering for the gamers, it’s going to be failure like “Flight”, flight model won’t come close to other sims …. The list goes on and here we have a really good sim with our favourites like PMDG in it and new trend setters like Fenix. We’ve never had a more realistic time in the flight sim space and it’s getting even better. 

Hopefully tomorrows live stream will allow Asobo to derail a lot of these speculations by going a bit deeper into what we can expect. 

A lot of people need to stop taking it so seriously as if their existence depends on it.

I love Flight Simulator - been into it since FS2 for a Commodore 64, but in the end, it is an imaginary world of imaginary planes.

There are changes that simply cannot be made without breaking compatibility . It doesn’t mean that you can’t reuse some portion of existing code but you definitely have to rewrite  core code. That what I think 2024 represents 

There are some people saying these things, but it's a bit of a stretch to say the community are saying them. Still, hearing it from a voice with some standing in the community may help a bit.

1 hour ago, rick celik said:

In my opinion, before the launch of any iteration of flight sim, there’s always a bunch of people up in arms like grown up angry toddlers making assumptions. 
 

Then after release they realise it’s not so bad and it all goes quiet again. 
 

Im all for input and opinions on what should be improved, but people jump to conclusions before even getting the product.

MSFS2020 was going to be subscription based, it’s going to be a game not a sim, it’s catering for the gamers, it’s going to be failure like “Flight”, flight model won’t come close to other sims …. The list goes on and here we have a really good sim with our favourites like PMDG in it and new trend setters like Fenix. We’ve never had a more realistic time in the flight sim space and it’s getting even better. 

What? Are you implying simmers are drama queens? How dare you?!

Edited September 25, 20241 yr by ca_metal

1 hour ago, DavidP said:

A lot of people need to stop taking it so seriously as if their existence depends on it.

I love Flight Simulator - been into it since FS2 for a Commodore 64, but in the end, it is an imaginary world of imaginary planes.

Understand where you are coming from. We are contemporaries in this endeavor by pretty much all respects. The simulation has gained so much sophistication over the years, and particularly recent years, that the imaginary has faded into history for many of us who have been in the air and experienced the left seat, or even right seat.  When 2020 emerged, though it showed huge developmental progress,  it honesty lacked some important key attributes that its own predecessors, with well developed enhancements. lacked. Avionics, weather, and traffic to name a few. The lack of existing and available features and technology frustrated many who had previous experience.  

Again, overall I do understand and agree with where you are coming from in general. But your conclusion haunts me.  Developmental progress includes moving forward from what was previously available.  And NIHS (not invented here syndrome) should be recognized by the development teams and avoided.

I too look forward to MSFS 2024 and hope with all my faith that pattern is not repeated.  There are some recent signals that are particularly encouraging, such as on the fly adjustment of depiction settings like many of us have enjoyed this year with the wonderful AutoFPS app as an example.

I will not speculate about MSFS2024. But I will not hesitate if it falls short of correcting some significant shortcomings that would maintain distance from "imaginary". I sincerely hope the Asobo team is working with accomplished partners, like we have benefited from with Working Title's excellent efforts.

 

Edited September 25, 20241 yr by fppilot

I say, be careful with specting a no bug-perfect MSFS, remember the beginnings of FS20, complicated but really enjoyable and happy that it was released in that state better than waiting another 2 years and from then to its actual excellent state.

I think not like in the FS2020 beginnings, but who knows haha.

I miss also another fat fighter like the F-18, like an F-16/15, Typhoon etc., the A-10 it is really ok also, but a bit slow in some circumstances haha.

The helicopter menu is really good, even “semi-copters” like the gyrocopter, with enthusiasm to fly them.

3 hours ago, DavidP said:

A lot of people need to stop taking it so seriously as if their existence depends on it.

I love Flight Simulator - been into it since FS2 for a Commodore 64, but in the end, it is an imaginary world of imaginary planes.

This.

It's a video game. 

Some folks make it sound like Moses is about to reveal the "15 commandments". 

When I was younger there was something called „criticism“ - I see this is at this moment not very fashionable - every disturbance of the general fanatic inclination to welcome every new product and update - without any care if it is really a blessing or a regression - must be punished by calling the critics killjoys or even hater.

Criticism allways has been the fundament of improving human life and „new“ does not allways mean „better“.

4 hours ago, DavidP said:

A lot of people need to stop taking it so seriously as if their existence depends on it.

I love Flight Simulator - been into it since FS2 for a Commodore 64, but in the end, it is an imaginary world of imaginary planes.

Exactly. I'm actually avoiding Avsim at the moment for all the hyperbole and nonsense which has sprung up in the past week or two. It's like a drug to some people it seems and finding anything interesting or useful here is becoming increasingly difficult. 

Hopefully his article will be helpful to some.

 

I'll add one thing though - I give no credit to the spec requirements, once again for a flight SIM they are dubious, make little sense and will in all likelihood prove inaccurate.

#1 Nope not seen that myself, doesn't mean to say people aren't saying of course, maybe in the comments in his videos or something. 

#2 As has been discussed elsewhere a lot of the new features & content could've easily been in a DLC for extra cost, but as pointed out the underlying code changes warrant a new product and it's a good chance to make a lot more money for the company, don't blame them for that it's the world we live in! 

#3 The required/recommended specs sheet is a bit of a mess, can't blame people for initially being a bit bewildered, especially when Jorg has been saying all along that the specs will be the same as MSFS2020 up until now. 

#4 I thought it was blatantly obvious this would be a streaming Sim!?! They've always maintained that, can't see why this is an "issue" on this list. 

#5 Again can't recall this in conversation that much, may of missed it. 

#6 I've seen very few people actually say this as well, a couple who didn't read/watch the videos closely enough but certainly not many. It's very clear the Career is just one way to have fun in this game.

...and that's my morning coffee done!

Edited September 25, 20241 yr by MarcG

1 minute ago, MarcG said:

#4 I thought it was blatantly obvious this would be a streaming Sim!?! They've always maintained that, can't see why this is an "issue" on this list. 

The issue is that I've seen a few people talking about it like the new one is going to run entirely in the cloud, because they don't understand the part about slimming the client by leaving stuff "in the cloud" that you're not using. I saw one person on this forum incorrectly compare it to Stadia, which was a service literally running an entire game in a datacenter and then streaming the video output.  That's not what MSFS2024 is doing... it's just pulling down more stuff a la carte, so you're not installing gigabytes of content you don't want.