25 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Yes that's it. 

😞

I just had to strip my 737 off and re-install it. It appears that the template files in the PMDG & MSFS files that control mouse behavior have not been updated so overwriting the templates installed with the 3.0.105 patch will kill your EFB.

So instead of just sticking your pointer over a switch and left or right clicking, I now have to faff about trying to get the right symbol to appear before clicking or risk rolling the mouse wheel and turning the engines off or something.

The EV I drove recently has all the controls on a touch screen rather than large comfortable knobs you could find in the dark without taking your eyes of the road. Then you hit a bump and press the wrong part of the screen which starts a disco that you don't know how to turn off. I imagine that half the crashes on motorways are caused by shiny new touch screen control systems invented by people who are paid to improve something that there is no practical way of improving. Rant over, sorry...

25 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Guess I don't either then 😂.

The iFly - as a first release of an early access version - is absolutely comparable to the PMDG and is possibly superior, depending on which systems and capabilities (nothing to do with cosmetics) you prioritize.  Speaking generally, the iFly systems modeling is absolutely at a PMDG level (with some touches that I prefer), and their LNAV performance is definitely superior to what I've been seeing from this new PMDG update.  Flight model is nicer too.

Certainly, PMDG makes a great 737.  That definitely does not mean that another developer can't also.

I never said that iFly can't make a 737 that competes with PMDG. I simply do not think in its current state that it's all-across-the-board so vastly superior to PMDG. For me, the lack of any semblance of a turbine engine simulation was a real disappointment, along with the fact that iFly has a ton of quality of life issues, from the way panel saving and settings work, the garbo EFB, to the fact that iFly didn't think to include an axis blocker function on release. We'll see where it goes after the next few patches, but I'm disappointed with it. 

6 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

I just had to strip my 737 off and re-install it. It appears that the template files in the PMDG & MSFS files that control mouse behavior have not been updated so overwriting the templates installed with the 3.0.105 patch will kill your EFB

I'd go over to that thread on PMDG and have your rant there. Or we'll be losing our controls for good!

Great... I'm also afflicted by the bricked EFB Navdate download. I saw that coming because this function never worked on the 777 either.

I think PMDG app should uninstall and clean up prior installation to avoid all that "jazz"

5 hours ago, Nemo said:

I cannot update the OC as requested. Bad update process planning by PMDG.

if you cant  than you need  to go  where  the  pmdg  operation centre is  located  on  your  pc  mine  is  user/user/app data/ roaming/ pmdg     scroll  down  to you see opcentre updater

35 minutes ago, chapstick said:

I never said that iFly can't make a 737 that competes with PMDG. I simply do not think in its current state that it's all-across-the-board so vastly superior to PMDG. For me, the lack of any semblance of a turbine engine simulation was a real disappointment, along with the fact that iFly has a ton of quality of life issues, from the way panel saving and settings work, the garbo EFB, to the fact that iFly didn't think to include an axis blocker function on release. We'll see where it goes after the next few patches, but I'm disappointed with it. 

Yea I think the key both of you are alluding to is it depends on what system you're talking about. Just going back to the OP, in a/bing the iFly generally flies more accurately if you were to compare them on the same field in terms of LNAV. That being said iFly had some pretty horrendous bugs when it came to legs generation and if I didn't intervene, it would have blown the approach easily. It would have accurately flown inaccurately in other words. VNAV is also an area that I think PMDG has the upper hand in at least in its current state. There are also smaller systems things that the PMDG models more accurately than the iFly.

Edited October 25, 20241 yr by Kevin_28

Loosing the PMDG Left Click, Right Click XML option should not be a surprise to anyone. When the 777-300ER was released the question was asked about the PMDG XML Mouse Option. There reply was that they took a survey and found not many people were using this option. Funny thing is I don't ever remember seeing a survey asking the question. Seeing the 737 has now benefited from some of the 777 features, I am not surprised that the PMDG XML Mouse Option is no longer supported.

47 minutes ago, chapstick said:

I never said that iFly can't make a 737 that competes with PMDG. I simply do not think in its current state that it's all-across-the-board so vastly superior to PMDG. For me, the lack of any semblance of a turbine engine simulation was a real disappointment, along with the fact that iFly has a ton of quality of life issues, from the way panel saving and settings work, the garbo EFB, to the fact that iFly didn't think to include an axis blocker function on release. We'll see where it goes after the next few patches, but I'm disappointed with it. 

Well to be fair, I never said it was "across the board superior", I said "comparable", which was in response to you suggesting that if anyone thought the iFly approached the level of PMDG, they must not know what makes a good 737 sim.  Bit of hyperbole in both your posts there, right?

For every particular detail you can give that PMDG models better than the iFly, I'm pretty sure I can give you at least one the iFly wins at. I've been having fun discovering all these little touches, after years of seeing PMDG ignore them, despite quite a few tickets and forum input from myself and others. 

Engine spool and control interference are really the two big ticket items, and they're coming in the upcoming update.  I suppose we all remember how long, and how many updates, it took PMDG to fix the exact same engine spool behavior we current see on the iFly 😉.

VNAV is actually better on the iFly, as it's not a weird blend of common and basic.  Does it experience a bug occasionally? Yup, but honestly I haven't seen anything worse than the PMDG bugs.  As far as LNAV goes, I've seen bugs in how the route is drawn occasionally, but what I've found interesting is that it flies the correct routing even if it drew a weird loop or something.  So for the most part I think the important stuff is there, it's just drawing bugs. I definitely give the iFly the edge here...pmdg draws AND flies things strangely sometimes. 

Etc.  Point is they're both top-tier sim aircraft.  There is a narrative that the iFly is all about cosmetics and lacks systems depth and that's 100% false.  It is at LEAST as detailed as the PMDG, that's all.

1 hour ago, Wise87 said:

There reply was that they took a survey and found not many people were using this option. Funny thing is I don't ever remember seeing a survey asking the question.

yeh THAT kind of survey. Quite a few people started to complain in several threads but because the survey had already established nobody cared (it was a closed tester survey) the threads were immediately all closed down by MK no further discussion allowed. Kind of. Until they decided to remove it from EXISTING ac that is.

 

22 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Yup, but honestly I haven't seen anything As far as LNAV goes, I've seen bugs in how the route is drawn occasionally, but what I've found interesting is that it flies the correct routing even if it drew a weird loop or something.  So for the most part I think the important stuff is there, it's just drawing bugs. 

Agreed in terms of fidelity. I've always enjoyed their p3d offerings and I'm sure they'll get those sorted for msfs. I have seen just drawing bugs as you stated, but also have seen the vnav work according to their drawing bugs where when I found a way to clear it, I was about 1000 ft too high on the appr profile.

36 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Well to be fair, I never said it was "across the board superior",

  This is what I was responding to. Anyway, this convo has run its course. Have a good night. 

8 hours ago, cepact said:

After flying with ifly 737 max, there is no way I could go back to the pmdg 737. it's so much better even in its "alpha" state

 

14 hours ago, DavidP said:

Well, I don't know what I'm doing differently but I just flew the NZQN RWY23 RNP-Z via the UBDAM5B arrival and the 737 flew it perfectly.

yep done 4 flights now no issues at my end, dont know why other users are having issues

38 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

yep done 4 flights now no issues at my end, dont know why other users are having issues

Which aircraft?

23 hours ago, LRBS said:

From a few short flights, I can see some improvements related to:

 

- Improved flight control handling/feel for all 737 types using PMDG's "fly-by-software" modeling suite.

- Improved control feel in ground effect for all 737 types.

Converted 737 series to use Navigraph's modern database format (ARINC 424 emulated)

- Implementation of Asobo weather "radar" returns on appropriate displays. (shows Asobo layer, is not actually radar)

 

Now, unfortunately, these items are still broken:

 

- Improved taxi handling using lessons learned from 777 development.

- Significant lateral path improvements to leverage navdata capabilities.

- AFDS roll mode control logic improved to leverage lateral path improvements.

 

Look at this approach to KEWR. 

 

 

The same unrealistic banking left and right at the WPT passage remains.

Do they have any quality control measures in place? I don’t understand how they could miss these issues. It’s clear that they are trying to fix things, but I find it hard to believe that the real pilots involved in this project don't notice these problems. Perhaps it is beyond a programmer’s ability to code correctly. It's even more puzzling that their real pilots release videos claiming everything is fine. Something is definitely wrong here, the other developers don't have these issues.

Another beta release!