Another strange thing in all settings GUI: there is no "Cancel" button - you can only either "ESC and Save" or "Reset to Default".

This is maddening. If I messed around some settings and just want to cancel and back, apparently I have to either save it anyway or reset to default which will wipe out all my previous custom settings? How could this be.. 

On 11/20/2024 at 9:56 AM, chapstick said:

I was able to figure out bindings in a few minutes, not five hours. /shrug

The controls UI is far cleaner than MFS2020. It works differently, but “different” is not “bad”.

I don’t know why so many people are having difficulties setting up controls. The way the new system works was self-evident in about 5 minutes of playing with it. The new system is very powerful because you can (if you wish) assign a custom control profile that is bound to a specific aircraft, and will load automatically with that aircraft.

I use the same profile with all aircraft, just as I did in 2020. The first time you make a new axis or button assignment for a particular controller, you can assign a name to the profile. I use “generic” for my profile name and click the boxes for “make default” and “assign to all aircraft”. Additional axis or button assignments for the same controller will be bound to the same profile name automatically.

When you assign a new button or axis, if there are any conflicts with other default assignments, the existence of a conflict will be highlighted, making it easy to find and delete any conflicting assignments by clicking on the “gear” icon.

The only potential “gotcha” is that when you move to a different controller for the first time and make a new assignment, you must complete the steps of creating a profile name (you can use the same name as for the previous controller) “make default” and “assign to all aircraft”.

It only took about 15 minutes to set all my controllers as I had them in 2020, and the assignments do indeed “stick” between subsequent launches of the sim and when changing aircraft.

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

I find it odd that an airliner captain would find it difficult to overcome change.  Yes the 2020 to 2024 GUI changed but it's so minor compared to flying an airliner hehe.

I also think the change is better and I detailed my reasoning why earlier in the thread.  The controller setup is pretty powerful and it's not too hard to bind your controls.

If you want to unbind a control just hover over it with your mouse and press Del.  To bind you just click on the blank space and press a button on your controller.  (Just make sure the proper device is check marked on the left side).

Your remark is quite surprising.
I didn't find it difficult to overcome changes professionally, don't worry 🙂
I'm not ranting at Microsoft and to a lesser extent, Asobo simply because of this word not allowed GUI.
(I finally mastered it and I confirm that it is even more stupid than the one in the previous simulator. Sorry to say it, without any malice, but it's very "Frenchie" to want to make it complicated when you can make it simple.)
Instead of learning from the past 4 years, they made exactly the same mistakes, only worse, as if all the user feedback had been for nothing.
(How do you find the part reserved for the choice of aircraft?? All the planes, GA, military, liners without any distinction, classified in a row, without any logic, like a fashion catalog. Lamentable, shameful for a flight simulator.)

The GUI is therefore only part of the problem. What I see is that they have released a new FS, botched, made by people who have no idea what their audience's expectations are and apparently driven by a single mission, to make money. (All the cosmetic part of MSFS 2024 should have been a single 2020 update, not a new sim. And why did they improve the software performance (more CPU cores) when in the same time you lose all this benefit because of a crappy streaming ??)

What also really annoys me is the hype of all these influencers on Youtube (including unfortunately many professional pilots like me) who swear that the geographic database is new, which is completely false, that the new flight physics is "revolutionary", as well as the ground handling, that you will see what you will see... etc, while what has changed is only the default planes that - finally - behave like planes and not floating objects, which A2A, Fenix, PMDG etc. have already been doing for a long time with their products.
I challenge any of these famous internet pilots to prove to me that the new simulator correctly manages gusty crosswinds or downbursts at landing. Or that the onboard physics takes into account the downwind side of a mountain barrier creating a gravity wave. No. A lot of smoke and mirrors, not much else.

And we will still be entitled to the famous world updates, where we can admire the pretty bridges, the beautiful houses, the historical monuments... while waiting for them to improve the essential of a flight simulator, the plane and its environment.
So yes I am angry.

6 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

The only potential “gotcha” is that when you move to a different controller for the first time and make a new assignment, you must complete the steps of creating a profile name (you can use the same name as for the previous controller) “make default” and “assign to all aircraft”.

Great info, thanks! I had a sense that controller settings in MSFS2024 is setup to deal with a myriad possible combinations of controllers and aircrafts, but they really need to have sth like you did to tutor people how to get it right for the first time. 

BTW, I found a strange issue that MSFS2024 doesn't seem to recognize rocker switch. Like ones on Honeycomb throttle. I flip a switch on during input scanning, the GUI will recognize the a button pushed but still keep scanning until I flipped it to off and it will register as two button combination. Don't know how to deal with it b/c the switch is supposed to stay on. 

 

I'm glad we have various sim options and platforms.

2 minutes ago, David Roch said:

And we will still be entitled to the famous world updates, where we can admire the pretty bridges, the beautiful houses, the historical monuments... while waiting for them to improve the essential of a flight simulator, the plane and its environment.
So yes I am angry.

Huge disappointment , just shy of anger are my thoughts concerning this latest iteration of the 40+ year old franchise.  That said, I agree with your sentiments and points well made almost without exception.

Well said,

-B

And a point for Ryan…it’s never a good idea to go ad hominem.  You of all people should know that.

6 minutes ago, btacon said:

Huge disappointment , just shy of anger are my thoughts concerning this latest iteration of the 40+ year old franchise.  That said, I agree with your sentiments and points well made almost without exception.

Well said,

-B

And a point for Ryan…it’s never a good idea to go ad hominem.  You of all people should know that.

I'm not having any issues with the GUI.  I don't understand why it's complex to someone who has been a pilot.  Because flying a jet can be very complex.... Vastly more complex than a user interface.

20 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

The controls UI is far cleaner than MFS2020. It works differently, but “different” is not “bad”.

I don’t know why so many people are having difficulties setting up controls. The way the new system works was self-evident in about 5 minutes of playing with it. The new system is very powerful because you can (if you wish) assign a custom control profile that is bound to a specific aircraft, and will load automatically with that aircraft.

I use the same profile with all aircraft, just as I did in 2020. The first time you make a new axis or button assignment for a particular controller, you can assign a name to the profile. I use “generic” for my profile name and click the boxes for “make default” and “assign to all aircraft”. Additional axis or button assignments for the same controller will be bound to the same profile name automatically.

When you assign a new button or axis, if there are any conflicts with other default assignments, the existence of a conflict will be highlighted, making it easy to find and delete any conflicting assignments by clicking on the “gear” icon.

The only potential “gotcha” is that when you move to a different controller for the first time and make a new assignment, you must complete the steps of creating a profile name (you can use the same name as for the previous controller) “make default” and “assign to all aircraft”.

It only took about 15 minutes to set all my controllers as I had them in 2020, and the assignments do indeed “stick” between subsequent launches of the sim and when changing aircraft.

This was my experience too. Still figuring it out but like every version of the simulator there are new things. Don't talk to me about setting FS9. I just have to be more aware of setting when switching between aircraft. The amount of tweaking to each aircraft is amazing.

30 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Your remark

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.  The way I posted wasn't meant to be an attack but it came off that way and I should have improved my delivery.

You think this UI is bad, I remember it took me months to figure out X-Plane 4's UI.

GUI is French made... They tend to make complexity out of simple stuff, from cars to airplanes, appliances, clothing... It's the French way 🤪 (running from the French simmers ...)

Today I am reinstalling fs 2024 from scratch, reseting all my Control definitions to default, and will have a pencil and a block to take note of the new keyboard shortcuts which they made completely different from the past...

There's that French beauty though, spread accross various aspects of the sim, from scenery and weather to aircraft and their graphic details...

Vive la France!!!

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by jcomm

10 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.  The way I posted wasn't meant to be an attack but it came off that way and I should have improved my delivery.

No, no, Ryan, no problem at all, "remark" in my mind (and in my poor English) doesn't mean something negative, I didn't feel attacked.
I was even amused because I have switched from air force fighters to Boeing freighters, so I am not really what we can call "an airliner captain that finds it difficult to overcome change".
🍻

59 minutes ago, David Roch said:

And we will still be entitled to the famous world updates, where we can admire the pretty bridges, the beautiful houses, the historical monuments... while waiting for them to improve the essential of a flight simulator, the plane and its environment.

Curious to the reasons you entered the world of aviation. For me (who admittedly never had any intention of making a career out of it), the primary reason was to see the world from the sky. I still remember being amazed sitting on my father's lap and seeing the few stick buildings of Chicago in MSFS 2.0. I will always cherish the memory of taking my mother up in a 172 and flying over our home, the exact kind of flight you can now perform in career mode. 2024 will bring so many new users into the world of aviation. I've tried a few training missions, and those alone offer much more than what was available in 2020. Systems and weather are obviously important, but I'd argue what you see out the window and activities available in the sim are just as important, especially for those who are new to the hobby.

I empathize with those who are still having issues getting into the sim or having issues with scenery loading or CTD's and bugs. Could 2024 have used another month or two or six in the oven? Of course! But I flew for over 5 hours last night with very few issues and loved every minute of it, and I'm happy to "beta test" while the bugs are ironed out instead of having to wait.

So today, after having an extensive look at the awesome GUI and learning all about the great planner I finally was able to start my first official and complete flight. It was the first time all textures were finally loaded. In case you wonder how I know: I had to lower my graphics preset from Ultra to Medium to stop the horrendous blurring when looking around. So I took off and looked outside and the world looked absolutely... word not allowed. My PC apparently can't handle all the beauty. It looks like word not allowed compared to MSFS2020. And half of the things I am used to use don't work (yet). I feel handicapped.

And so...

...dare I say it...

... I am currently reinstalling MSFS2020 so I can at least do some enjoyable flying while MS Asobo is working on fixing things.

New isn't always better. I clearly fell for the hype. I honestly believed it all. I am such a moron. Why do I (we) always want new things... new shiny toys... why can't I (we) be satisfied with what we've got.

I am an complete word not allowed.

I even went so far to ask for a refund (on Steam) because I was so foolish to buy the Premium Deluxe edition (which I don't need at all: I simply was too excited). I probably won't get a refund because I already 'played' the sim four hours and hours (Hhahahahahahahaha! Played! Hahahahahaha!) but if I do I may buy the Standard edition again somewhere in the future. For now it's back to MSFS2020 for me.

Sigh. And I'm not even young. Some people never learn.

5 minutes ago, mistolip said:

So today, after having an extensive look at the awesome GUI and learning all about the great planner I finally was able to start my first official and complete flight. It was the first time all textures were finally loaded. In case you wonder how I know: I had to lower my graphics preset from Ultra to Medium to stop the horrendous blurring when looking around. So I took off and looked outside and the world looked absolutely... word not allowed. My PC apparently can't handle all the beauty. It looks like word not allowed compared to MSFS2020. And half of the things I am used to use don't work (yet). I feel handicapped.

And so...

...dare I say it...

... I am currently reinstalling MSFS2020 so I can at least do some enjoyable flying while MS Asobo is working on fixing things.

New isn't always better. I clearly fell for the hype. I honestly believed it all. I am such a moron. Why do I (we) always want new things... new shiny toys... why can't I (we) be satisfied with what we've got.

I am an complete word not allowed.

I even went so far to ask for a refund (on Steam) because I was so foolish to buy the Premium Deluxe edition (which I don't need at all: I simply was too excited). I probably won't get a refund because I already 'played' the sim four hours and hours (Hhahahahahahahaha! Played! Hahahahahaha!) but if I do I may buy the Standard edition again somewhere in the future. For now it's back to MSFS2020 for me.

Sigh. And I'm not even young. Some people never learn.

Horrendous blurring when looking around is under "motion blur" and you can disable it.

Doesn't stop the ground textures from being a blurry mess though