16 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

If we ever get the option to download like 2020 with an offline option I'll be back. The price of 4TB NVME's are under $300.00 and with a 1.4TB install it would be nice to have had the option. A 25 hour download, we'll be the ones waiting so what's the big deal, we waited that long for your 100% streaming to get gong anyway!

It seems that is basically coming, at least all of the world updates, your aircraft, third-party scenery, can be local on your computer. Just as with 2020 though a good deal of data -- weather, traffic, Bing maps, etc, will be streamed. Didn't Seb say the Bing data for France alone is north of 100 TB, whether in 2020 or 2024, that is just not going to fit on a 4 TB hard drive. So in both sims that data is being streamed.

Well I have a total of 19.5 tb of storage on my system 10.5 of which is SSD/NVMe plus another 2 tb NVMe that is yet to be installed.  Having just deleted P3D4.5 and P3D5.3 much of that is free space so I will not be going anywhere near FS2024 until we can store large chunks of data locally.

Bruce

1 hour ago, brucewtb said:

Well I have a total of 19.5 tb of storage on my system 10.5 of which is SSD/NVMe plus another 2 tb NVMe that is yet to be installed.  Having just deleted P3D4.5 and P3D5.3 much of that is free space so I will not be going anywhere near FS2024 until we can store large chunks of data locally.

Bruce

I bet you will sing a different tune as soon as you actually try to download huge chunks.

Seb gave the example that if one were to download all the packages of MS2024, which is all the aircraft, bespoke aircraft, poi, mission, etc it would not only take 1.4TB but 25 hours to do so.

All the scenery, sim load times, flight load times for me have always been way faster than 2020. Every single time that I've flown. And I don't have stutters in flight. FPS is lower than 2020 but still from 50 to 80 with zero issues.

54 minutes ago, Fielder said:

All the scenery, sim load times, flight load times for me have always been way faster than 2020. Every single time that I've flown. And I don't have stutters in flight.

Same experience here. Even when Asobo enabled marketplace content and the sim loaded in DD's resource-heavy Chicago Landmarks scenery against my wishes, I didn't get the stutters as the scenery loaded that I get in 2020. If I hit fly now too soon there is some lag for 10 seconds or so as textures load in (same as 2020) but other than that the sim has been better performing and way more stable than 2020 was out of the gate. I haven't had a CTD since launch day.

One thing I will say: I did almost no tweaking. Set settings to ultra, enabled DLSS because they fixed the weird artifacts in the Garmins and that was that. I didn't even bother checking the FPS, the sim feels smooth 99.9% of the time. I feel for the people who have issues, but maybe they should start by resetting their Nvidia or AMD settings to defaults and just use one of the presets in 2024 and see how things run. I'm on a 12900k and 3090 at 3440x1440 resolution so not the latest and greatest hardware.

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

I bet you will sing a different tune as soon as you actually try to download huge chunks.

Seb gave the example that if one were to download all the packages of MS2024, which is all the aircraft, bespoke aircraft, poi, mission, etc it would not only take 1.4TB but 25 hours to do so.

Not me, I'd setup the download up at night and let it run! If that option was available day one, I would of downloaded the entire 1.4TB before I was able to connect via 100% streaming.

minus half of the world and 70% of aircraft I wouldn't need. now we are talking "only" some 500 GB.

34 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Not me, I'd setup the download up at night and let it run! If that option was available day one, I would of downloaded the entire 1.4TB before I was able to connect via 100% streaming.

Same here I have no issue with downloading 1.4TB - if they are going to allow us to do that bring it on the sooner the better!

Bruce

I just want to be able to download the baseline terrain, photogrammetry and all the associated objects.  I will choose the default aircraft i want and AIG and my purchased aircraft addons will take care of the rest. Im sure not everyone is going to go for downloading everything .. but the core terrain components repeatable objects..and G.U.I.. yes that should be readily available locally.

On a side note the Radeon drivers needed to detect MSFS 2024 in order to enable frame gen on the AMD side got released today.. So thats one of my non starters fixed. Hopefully over time the rest will quickly fall into place.

Edited December 6, 20241 yr by Maxis

12 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

So are you saying you were right, and a others that were critical of you for being concerned about the state of the sim at launch (and even one who posted laughing emoji's to try to ridicule), were wrong?  Amazing!  I never saw that coming.  

Yeah, I ignore those people lol. I wasn't really trying to be right either. I just shared my opinion of the state of the sim (as did a few others), based on what I had seen and read, and a bunch of people took real issue with it. I didn't think it was an overly critical view. The product just wasn't ready for release, and I thought it made more sense to delay it. Jorg basically confirmed that they should not have released it in the condition it was. It was a professional black eye for him and the team. I wasn't hating on the product. Just 30+ years of software development experience, and I have seen what a project disaster looks like. It looked like MSFS 2024. It is just the sad state of posting today online. None of the people ridiculing us would have acted that way to our faces. It would have been a much more civil conversation. Online really sucks in this regard. 

7 hours ago, scotchegg said:

- Who said the launch would be fine? All I remember people disagreeing with you was the tech alpha was not just a telemetry test as claimed, and was actually the final build. I think you’re the one moving the goalposts here.

- Did Jorg say the sim was awful or the launch was awful? 

You are moving the goalposts again. People tried to say that the tech alpha wasn't the finished product (evidently it was), but my posts did not rely on that alone. I mentioned the first influencer event, where the router was slammed and everyone couldn't get in (so telling of what was to come), Jorg cancelling a planned event, one minute he said they were at a state of frozen code, the next a lot of work is left, developer previews showing game breaking bugs, etc. etc. etc. A lot of people tried to argue that we ONLY mentioned that, but I just added that as more evidence that the product was not ready. And here's a piece of info. When the product is awful, the launch is awful too. So the argument that the tech alpha wasn't representative of the final release was proven incorrect. That was a mess and guess what. So was the release. To argue they would have somehow been different is laughable and just shows a complete lack of understanding of how software development goes.

Put another way. Why did they do a tech alpha? They said it was to test some critical services and infrastructure. So if those tests went so well, and we can conclude that they must have...otherwise they launched a product they knew was broken...then what they tested really did not verify the readiness of those services and infrastructure. And if that build was not representative of the final product (as some argued that the final release was a much newer code base - again laughable), then why did they test it? Because if they weren't testing a release candidate, then they were just kidding themselves. Again seeing how valuable all that testing was...yeah, they were just kidding themselves. See, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim the tech alpha is to test code that you are not going to release. Because that makes zero sense. Sure, you can turn some things off, and they did that, but those underlying services and infrastructure that they were load testing was the latest code (or very recent), and it was full of bugs. And of course, didn't scale at all. 

But there were MANY other indicators that this product was not ready for prime time. Still isn't! And that is way more than just the results of the tech alpha. And again, now we know with 100% certainty that my concerns (and the concerns of others) was correct. Now you can argue semantics all you want, but that changes zippo. But please continue. It is entertaining. 

34 minutes ago, RobJC said:

People tried to say that the tech alpha wasn't the finished product (evidently it was),

No, it absolutely wasn't. Just some of the things that weren't in the tech alpha but in the release version: AI planes, ships (except cruise liners), nearly all the planes, helicopters, gliders, POIs, full live weather, VFR objects, charts / flight planners, animals, nearly all the careers...that's just off the top of my head. It also had a whole host of bugs not in the final.

34 minutes ago, RobJC said:

So the argument that the tech alpha wasn't representative of the final release was proven incorrect

See above. Not only have you moved the goalposts, you've ensured there's no keeper, scored, and congratulated yourself for it.

34 minutes ago, RobJC said:

those underlying services and infrastructure that they were load testing was the latest code (or very recent), and it was full of bugs. And of course, didn't scale at all. 

Didn't scale for the first 24 hours and then did. How do you explain the quick resolution of the initial problems? Look at the official forums, scroll down the first hour's worth of posts and count how many are 'can't connect / stream' problems. I just did and don't see even one that suggests they're still having problems with infrastrcuture scaling.

And as for my question to you that Jorg agreed the sim was awful, that's a big NO. I just watched his parts of the dev stream and he did indeed say the launch was awful, 2 or 3 times, and Seb and Martial gave a very deep dive into those first 24 hrs of launch infrastructure problems. As Jorg's closing statement, he said it was a strange, awful launch and he was sad about it, but that it's a great platform.

So, yes, he obviously feels terrible about the launch, and again, I don't remember seeing ANYONE saying the launch would be a trouble-free success. In fact, if you can show me someone saying that I'll happily shut up about it. But I don't think for a second he agrees that it's a disastrous sim, or that he should be ashamed of his team as other posters have suggested. 

Edited December 6, 20241 yr by scotchegg

8 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

This isn't just to appease the flight sim masses, just look at the body language! Right from the start Jorg has his shoulders slumped, head and chin down toward his chest...

Actually, having seen the stream now, it wasn’t quite as bad as I’d thought. That thing with him looking down I think is him checking other screens. You’ll see him quite regularly switching from left to right so I guess he has a couple either side of his camera.

But yes, certainly, well, as he said, sad.

8 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Actually, having seen the stream now, it wasn’t quite as bad as I’d thought. That thing with him looking down I think is him checking other screens. You’ll see him quite regularly switching from left to right so I guess he has a couple either side of his camera.

But yes, certainly, well, as he said, sad.

It's not just that, he appears to have a nervous tick and the inability to sit still when not being engaged in the beginning. 

He definitely needs to take a breather once things settle down, don't need him getting sick over this!

Edited December 6, 20241 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

14 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

It's not just that, he appears to have a nervous tick and the inability to sit still when not being engaged in the beginning. 

He definitely needs to take a breather once things settle down, don't need him getting sick over this!

Yeah, hopefully next week’s patch doesn’t break anything else and they can all recharge over the end of year.