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2020 Simmers Fight Back

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  • UltimateAntic
    UltimateAntic

    Didn't they just release a city update for both sims? When I look into your post history, I seriously think you need to touch some grass.

  • Microsoft Flight Simulator will be continuously developed over the next ten years. During this time, fans will receive patches, updates, new modules and airplanes, as well as add-ons for which the ser

  • My opinion of Asobo has done a complete 180 in a very short time. After 2020's rough release I knew better than to preorder 2024, but even I was surprised at how underdeveloped it was at release. Howe

5 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Pmdg have been saying for years the weather radar is on hold until Msobo finish it.

They never delivered.

PMDG did what they once boasted they would never do. 

They compromised and lowered their values to suit market demand. 

Russell Gough

SE London

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14 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

They compromised and lowered their values to suit market demand. 

Or to avoid waiting forever for something that probably won’t happen. Either way, £€$. Not sure what the big deal with PMDG is anyways, there is better out there, they just live off their legacy from back in the FSX/P3D days. 

  • Commercial Member

A few people have mentioned me being a "commercial member" on here like it matters - I'm a "commercial member" because someone flagged me as such on here, that's all it means.

Now - while I do sell software for flight simulation, I am also a consumer and I put my money on the line too with simulators and addons just like everyone else.

But let's talk about being a developer and how Asobo affects people like me, or more specifically ones tied to their platform. Now fortunately I am independent and do not sell on Marketplace. If I were a developer and depending on Marketplace to sell my wares (like *many*) I would be absolutely questioning Asobo right now, since their atrocious launch of the Marketplace and a new sim with regression bugs and a broken/missing SDK would have completely screwed my bottom line.

  1. They promise ten years of support for their simulator that I base my software / business plan upon
  2. Things are going well with 2020 and sentiment is good amongst the community - sales are probably steady and reasonably predictable
  3. Asobo launch 2024
  4.  ... but there's no marketplace available for 2024 (despite it being promised)
  5. My bottom line drops out because people don't want to buy for 2020 any more when there's a new sim on the block
  6. However I can't sell to 2024 users because there's no marketplace for starters, but the simulator SDK is in a bad state so I can't even reassure people still on the 2020 marketplace that their purchase will work on the new simulator because I don't know myself yet.
  7. Six months pass, I go out of business and/or get ill with worry and stress while people are probably complaining at me because their software that I sold them maybe doesn't work on the new sim - and I seem incompetent for not being able to get it to work.

Asobo are absolutely not a developer friendly company unless you are in their "inner circle" and they were not up-front about a new simulator being released right up until the point where they announced it out of the blue. This is not a way to foster trust amongst a developer community (and it still isn't right six months later). That's a LONG time to be without income.

So you people saying things like "what did you expect" etc ... well, I and many others probably expected what Asobo said originally until they changed their mind. You should probably ask yourself if you're happy with Asobo playing with the livelihoods of the developers of addons you most likely get a lot of joy out of because a lot of them will probably just abandon ship if it keeps happening. Asobo are fine though, they have another £80+ off each of the userbase.

 

 

Edited by FPVSteve

Developer of Self-Loading Cargo - The Cabin Crew and Passenger Simulation Addon for MSFS, X-Plane, P3D and FSX

11 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

......And regardless, they've also said MSFS 2020 will be supported for multiple more years.

It's this part that makes me somewhat frustrated that developers like IniBuilds are not intending to release any MSFS 2020 versions of upcoming airports. IMO, this decision is way too early. There are still a lot of MSFS 2020 users (like myself) who would have no hesitation in purchasing new airport addons, particularly if future upgrades to the MSFS 2024 versions are offered for only a small additional fee.

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

People complaining about the 10 year statement need to get a hobby. Oh wait, slimming is exactly that so maybe sim some more lol.

 

5800X3D. 32 GB RAM. 1TB SATA SSD. 3TB HDD. RX  9070XT.

54 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

There is no hope for you 

I'm thinking the same.  This whiner reckons it was blowing in the wind???  Lol.  Far out.....I've read it all now I reckon.  

Jase

1 hour ago, Greazer said:

There has never been a plausible explanation as to why the flag was waving but there's no wind on the moon.

Ouch. Disqualified and noted, thanks. 

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

30 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

 IMO, this decision is way too early. There are still a lot of MSFS 2020 users (like myself) who would have no hesitation in purchasing new airport addons, particularly if future upgrades to the MSFS 2024 versions are offered for only a small additional fee.

If the decision was "way to early", iniBuilds will release their sceneries again for MSFS2020. BUT: dont you think that they look on their sales numbers before coming to the decision to go MSFS2024-only? Dont you think that if those numbers would tell them that the MSFS2020 market is still worth the developing costs etc., they would continue selling products for MSFS2020 also in the future. No? Do you really think iniBuilds decides purely based on whatever to annoy remaining MSFS2020 users? I doubt...

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

Inibuilds is maximum profit for minimum effort is not an example of anything.

2 hours ago, Greazer said:

Flight Gamers who say there's few bugs or everything is working fine, don't actually realize all the issues.

But...but...how would you know? You don't have the sim....🤔

4 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

But...but...how would you know? You don't have the sim....🤔

How does he make all those ridiculous videos like the 198mph crosswind on the runway without the sim?

Have a Wonderful Day

-Paul Solk

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1 hour ago, AnkH said:

If the decision was "way to early", iniBuilds will release their sceneries again for MSFS2020. BUT: dont you think that they look on their sales numbers before coming to the decision to go MSFS2024-only? Dont you think that if those numbers would tell them that the MSFS2020 market is still worth the developing costs etc., they would continue selling products for MSFS2020 also in the future. No? Do you really think iniBuilds decides purely based on whatever to annoy remaining MSFS2020 users? I doubt...

...and yet others Like MK Studios are happily releasing MSFS 2020 versions of their new airports?

Edited by Christopher Low

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

All this talk about Inibuilds no longer building airports for MSFS2024...  In my experience the VAST majority (99.x%) of airports built specifically for 2020 work just fine in 2024.  Do we have reason to think airports built specifically for 2024 will not work in 2020?

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