Yawn thread, just fly what  you like. Does it matter?

Edited May 12, 20251 yr by JBDB-MD80

Opinions are going to differ BIGTIME on this one! I fly both sims XP12 and FS24, I personally prefer the flight physics in XP12 and everything about XP12, the scenery isn’t great that’s for sure and VR isn’t great either but there are two software developers who make theeee BEST aircraft for desktop simulation and that is Toliss and especially X Aviation Hotstart …. I fly the Challenger 650 all the time, it’s the best aircraft by far than anything I have installed in FS24 and I have em all……it all depends what you want. They have just made massive improvements to XP12 and it will improve as time goes on but I doubt we will have scenery like FS24. 

For me though if I cud only have one sim installed it wud defo be XP12 without a shadow of a doubt. 
 

Regards

Paul EGCC
 

 

Edited May 12, 20251 yr by Captaintull

I see the OP is posting his X plane stuff all over the internet. Hmmm. 

42 ?

22 minutes ago, Alvega said:

Now do a side by side default comparison and tell us it's not far from MSFS.

Default?  MSFS default, with no streaming scenery?  Are you sure?

X plane was never my cup of tea. Why would I try it when I have 2024 running and working great for me? I think the OP is trolling for his negative 2024 conceptions.

48 minutes ago, alanw2005 said:

The fact that it is certifiable by the FAA confirms it is study level and has excellent flight physics. I don't need an FAA certified version but it is great for flying schools.

Nope it does not. FAA certification is more about device/hardware usage and compatibility, the fidelity of systems/avionics/physics in a sim are not considered at all.
 

Edited May 12, 20251 yr by lwt1971

7 minutes ago, alanw2005 said:

Growing frustrated I am thinking of getting X-Plane 12. I will hang out there until MSFS 2024 gets sorted.

Do it, then report back into this thread with your opinion once you've delved in deep enough to be sure.  I can't relate at all to the 'hot mess' for 2024.  I use it perfectly along with BATC, Self-Loading-Cargo, AS's CRJ series which are fabulous, A Pilot's Life for routing, and recently picked up Fenix a320CFM and everything is largely flawless with a few modest but significant issues which will be dealt with I'm sure sooner than later, and with that it's mainly LOD as you approach an airport the runway can look less crisp on its sidelines.  But stability and performance are stellar, no kidding. There is no way I would bail into an entirely new platform and all of the inside knowledge required to get something decent out of it.  2024 and 2020 are just way too satisfying to be teased by a few modest differences between the two platforms.  Every time I've installed XP demo and tried to give at least default a whirl was quickly turned off by it, nothing really stood out.  It takes a lot of knowledge in any platform to do them justice and were I anything but still enthralled by MSFS still, 4.7y later, I would be open to XP for sure.

Edited May 12, 20251 yr by Noel

MSFS only and no reason for any other sim right now. X-Plane is trying , good efforts but its trying to imitate MSFS.

And as far the boring  "flight model study level physics" from  pilots of the keyboard ( which i am also ) its not anymore valid. 

 

 

I use both, l like both, although I prefer xp12 in terms of "feel of flight", MSFS 2024 for detailed World scenery, none for soaring which both do quite far from reality and from my other flightsim - Condorsoaring v3...

Now I am also considering reinstalling p3d to be able to use again my preferred ever Bell206... DODOSIM v2...

Edited May 12, 20251 yr by jcomm

1 hour ago, alanw2005 said:

 

From another thread, we looked into V1's conclusions already 🙂 (below) https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/page/8/#findComment-5265248

That said, as is almost always the case, it comes down to the aircraft developer as to how good an aircraft's particular FM is, and less the sim platform, as long as the sim platform provides the frameworks and tools for aircraft dev (which both MSFS and XP do). It is also very evident that 2024 advances in both flight dynamics and developer tools for FMs compared to 2020, as per numerous reports from both simmers and IRL pilots alike on above thread.


                                              Toliss    Fenix
Acceleration                          10         10
Decel                                      7          10     (IRL is 66secs, Fenix is 64s, Toliss is 84secs)
Control input response          9          9.5    ("dang near perfect, Fenix feels more realistic .. Toliss feels like I'm constantly driving a truck")
Inertia in air                            9          9       ("both felt good")
Inertia on the ground             7          9       ("in MSFS 2020 it's a 7, a straight-up big difference")
X-wind physics in flight         8          9.5    ("Toliss is good but Fenix is more accurate")
X-wind physics touchdown   8          9.5    ("I was that impressed, did my natural inputs as in IRL and it behaved as in IRL")
X-wind physics on ground    6         9
X-wind physics roll-out         7          9        ("crosswind physics in 2024 is awesome")
-----
3D model                               5         10
Sounds                                   7         10
Textures                                 5          9.8
wings flap                              7          10
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Total score w/o visuals        77%      94%
Total score w/ visuals          73%      95%
 

Edited May 12, 20251 yr by lwt1971

Am I hearing some rabid dogs ^TM barking? 😁 (SCNR)

1 hour ago, alanw2005 said:

How many of you have both simulators? Has anyone gone from X-Plane to MSFS? How many have gone from MSFS to X-Plane?

I know the graphics of X-Plane are much weaker than MSFS but the flight physics of X-Plane are so good that it is study level and it can be FAA certified if required.

I have gone from MSFS to XP as the physics (on ground and in air) didn't meet my demands in MSFS. If you want more details, please watch my videos (see my signature). I know, many here will again moan that I'm only looking for clicks of my videos (e.g this one), and you don't need to watch them* if you don't want, but I have a teaching assignment to fulfill here 😊.

* I don't make money with them.

34 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I see the OP is posting his X plane stuff all over the internet. Hmmm. 

Just last week he said he flies X Plane, and now in the first post of this thread he says he's THINKING about getting XPlane.  Something doesn't add up here...or maybe it does.  ☹️

1 hour ago, alanw2005 said:

 but the flight physics of X-Plane are so good that it is study level and it can be FAA certified if required.

😆

28 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

the fidelity of systems/avionics/physics in a sim are not considered at all.

That's pretty much...entirely wrong. The FAA certification process ensures that the simulator meets specific standards for realistic flight dynamics, avionics behavior, and system accuracy. Otherwise you could get GTA V certified with the right hardware.