Is it just me or are the ground textures less blurry now? 
 

Haven’t read the notes yet 

1 hour ago, fsiscool said:

Do you honestly believe a majority of users is not able to land airliners in MSFS2024?

It is not nice, that some have these issues, but when I see that always the same folks are very vocal in complaining, my conclusion is that quite likely there are not many systematic issues but individually caused troubles.

Don't forget, this is a 60$ piece of software, which, and I am chosing my words with care, is probably the most complex software in existence compared with any other game. I was deeply involved in the development of a 200 million software project and I can tell you that MSFS 2024 is far more complex. If you just consider, that MSFS more or less is a flight simulator framework which serves as a platform for thousands of addons to run on, you can imagine the complexity that goes into such releases.

People who doubt Asobos proficiency have clearly no idea of software development. There is simply no benchmark to compare an MSFS release with because there is no other game on the market that comes close in complexity. I would go so far, to say that you would struggle to find any software in any domain that's much complexer than MSFS 2024.

I think you missed what i mean, oh i think most of those community Pilots can land a plane in MSFS2024 and this is not a bug but this: a lot people here complain what happens on or at landing coming from 500 feet ( or so ) down to the runways loosing almost all FPS for some time and than coming back somehow ????

 And for sure i know the complexity of the MSFS world so i am with you, but just selling a game for a lot of money and it isn`t not nearly finished is not a good advertisement neither for Asobo nor for Microsoft !

Now, let me try to explain this from my point of view :

I have been involved in the development of MSFS2024 from the beginning and it was actually the same as far as bugfixes, updates and ect.ect. are concerned and now finally after four years the MSFS2020 is more or less perfect and I have put so much heart and soul into the whole administration on my part, the eternal updates always keeping up to date etc. which is always a lot of work and I don't want to do all that with the MSFS2024 anymore.
I want a relatively finished product and that's why I'm waiting until it's more or less ready.
Then it should be said that they should have given the MSFS2024 even more completion time and should have waited longer with the release so that it would be released “more finished” for the money that we all ultimately pay !

And finally, they promised us compatiblity of airplanes and sceneries and now I read here more and more often that the *.dds textures ( what all is MSFS2020 stuff ) probably cause problems and that's a tactic from the developer team that I really can't stand !!!

cheers 😉

 

Edited May 16, 20251 yr by pmplayer

Just powered up the simpc and updated 2024.

Haven't done any of the various things frequently suggested here (clearing caches etc), just started up 2024. Got a 4.6gb update (I think that was the amount), went straight in to free flight and everything is working fine. Had the same addons in community folder as before the update (a mixture of 2020 and 2024 products via Addons Linker) and the same combination of aircraft (including a bunch of "not recommended" 2020 planes) enabled via "my library".

It all seems very smooth and wonderful. No issues at all. I tried the AMD frame doubling thing and it seemed to work fine. None of my settings got wiped out. In fact the whole process was totally painless and the results I've seen on a brief couple of flights have been excellent.

Now the only reason I'm posting this is not to crow about how wonderful 2024 is, or how brilliantly my system is set up or any of that sort of thing, but just to state that it is obvious to me that 2024 is not the broken mess many are claiming. I may be "lucky", but even so it does show that it is possible to have a good experience with 2024.

Further info, I'm running 4k, pretty much all settings ultra plus LODs of 400, hardware spec in sig below. I only use free flight and rarely fly tubeliners, although I do have most of the usual suspects (PMDG, Fenix etc) which seem to be happy here as well.

I appreciate this is not a lot of help to those who are having issues, but my point is that it's not as simple as just saying "2024 is broken". I've never had any major problems with 2024, apart from the lousy PG in places and the LODs/popping issues, and no idea if any of that has improved with SU2 but I will investigate in the coming days.

I hope those of you that do have problems get a resolution, because for me, 2024 is a big improvement over 2020 (which I still have running and which I still think is amazing too).

8 minutes ago, andy1252 said:

Just powered up the simpc and updated 2024.

Haven't done any of the various things frequently suggested here (clearing caches etc), just started up 2024. Got a 4.6gb update (I think that was the amount), went straight in to free flight and everything is working fine. Had the same addons in community folder as before the update (a mixture of 2020 and 2024 products via Addons Linker) and the same combination of aircraft (including a bunch of "not recommended" 2020 planes) enabled via "my library".

It all seems very smooth and wonderful. No issues at all. I tried the AMD frame doubling thing and it seemed to work fine. None of my settings got wiped out. In fact the whole process was totally painless and the results I've seen on a brief couple of flights have been excellent.

Now the only reason I'm posting this is not to crow about how wonderful 2024 is, or how brilliantly my system is set up or any of that sort of thing, but just to state that it is obvious to me that 2024 is not the broken mess many are claiming. I may be "lucky", but even so it does show that it is possible to have a good experience with 2024.

Further info, I'm running 4k, pretty much all settings ultra plus LODs of 400, hardware spec in sig below. I only use free flight and rarely fly tubeliners, although I do have most of the usual suspects (PMDG, Fenix etc) which seem to be happy here as well.

I appreciate this is not a lot of help to those who are having issues, but my point is that it's not as simple as just saying "2024 is broken". I've never had any major problems with 2024, apart from the lousy PG in places and the LODs/popping issues, and no idea if any of that has improved with SU2 but I will investigate in the coming days.

I hope those of you that do have problems get a resolution, because for me, 2024 is a big improvement over 2020 (which I still have running and which I still think is amazing too).

This has been my experience as well, basically zero issues and I’m enjoying 2024 quite a bit using a wide variety of aircraft.  It’s really unfortunate for those having issues with this, hopefully MSOBO can get everything straightened out so we can all enjoy it.

3 hours ago, ega said:

Hi Jase,

Do you use FG? I do also have a 4070Ti super.

Hi Ega,

 

I use TAA and FG.  Giving me great results.

 

Jase

1 hour ago, rick celik said:

Is it just me or are the ground textures less blurry now? 
 

Haven’t read the notes yet 

Yes, ground textures have received a very good improvement. 

1 hour ago, toby23 said:

Head tracking with Track-IR has become quite juddery since updating to SU2 and it was smooth before.

Well, it looks like I might have found the problem and a fix... If you have multiple monitors, I have 2, and they run at different refresh rates, you might get this SU2 specific stuttery head tracking.
I've put the solution that works for me here: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/for-anyone-struggling-with-stuttery-flickering-using-head-tracking-in-su2/721115

I have long used TAA with 4k on a 3080Ti…. Now that it is in Sim I am considering DLSS Quality- is this worth pursuing or am I better off leaving things alone. Smooth performance and crisp displays are most important to me.

Ta- C

1 minute ago, cavaricooper said:

I have long used TAA with 4k on a 3080Ti…. Now that it is in Sim I am considering DLSS Quality- is this worth pursuing or am I better off leaving things alone. Smooth performance and crisp displays are most important to me.

Ta- C

I use TAA just can’t do DLSS. I like things really crisp. Now I just flicked on frame gen and it’s perfect. TAA + frame gen for me 

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

a lot people here complain what happens on or at landing coming from 500 feet ( or so ) down to the runways loosing almost all FPS for some time and than coming back somehow ????

That's what I meant. I summarized this with "users can't land an airliner". And it is naive to assume that a majority of users is affected by this.

So there is a good chance, that you install 2024 and just fly as in 2020 without any issue.

Btw. how come you were part in the 2024 dev team from the beginning but you rely on assumptions and reports from others regarding this bug?

If you plan to buy the sim anyway at a later point, there is literally nothing you could loose if you buy right away and find out for yourself whether the sim is causing troubles for you (less likely) or not (much more likely).

You bear an opportunity cost, if you stick with a choice that potentially leaves you with the less enjoyable experience.

Just completed my first flight in Su2, using the A330. Initially tried the A350 but that WASM crashed. Performance fantastic now. Very smooth. Really happy with 2024 now.

2020 is on the way out sooner than I expected.

 

Is it weird that I installed SU2 and barely noticed a difference?  The big thing for me was the traffic taxiing or parking in mid air, and that seems fixed (at least at a glance).  Default traffic seems better overall.  I was practicing helicopter hovering over LAX and saw two planes taxiing head on, but takeoffs looked better.  At least the airport didn't look like total chaos.  

Performance seems no different to me, but I don't run into the issues others do (granted I am not flying jetliners).  I didn't do any benchmarks or anything.  

I didn't get much chance to test SU2 last night. My test flight was going to be from KLAX-KSFO. I was going to use the FB KSFO as I don't have the Premium version of MSFS.

However, I had a bit of an own goal. My approach and landing into SFO were butter smooth. None of the 500' stutters were present. I did, however, notice that SFO buildings looked like a nuclear apocalypse. Thinking something was messed up from bouncing on and off the SU2 beta I decided to do a clean reinstall of 2024.

That's when I remembered that I was reorganizing AddonLinker and forgot to relink the FB KSFO.

I am concerned that the default buildings looked that way. However, loading into KSFO before I reinstalled the default airport looked fine. At least for a default airport.

I am noticing I think it's worth paying attention to sceneries that are truly compatible with 24. Where the dev has undertaken some effort to ensure compatibility. This is opposed to a dev who just fired it up, didn't see any glaring issues, and called it a day. One of my last SU2 flights was into KMYR and upon further research that scenery is not even flagged as compatible in Contrail.

45 minutes ago, cavaricooper said:

Smooth performance and crisp displays are most important to me.

I perceive DLSS ultra quality/DLAA to be crisper than TAA on my system.  I also run 4K and find a little shimmering in distant scenery with TAA that I don't see with DLSS.

18 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

It still baffles me as to why you guys put yourselfs through all this.  Give up and come back in 6 months.  It cant be good for the blood pressure.

Being part of the SU2 beta was not a negative experience for me.  From day one through two thirds of the beta I couldn't run SU2 successfully for more than a minute.  Often the sim would crash before I was in the cockpit.  However, as I understood what a beta was (likely to contain bugs, therefore no stress by testing), I was able to test & post my issues to the official forum to help with the development.  The latest Nvidia driver sorted out many of my issues, and the last couple of SU's fixed the rest.  For the last third of SU2 I have enjoyed smooth flights - I have been particularly impressed with the weather and turbulence.  Landing used to be a given, but in the last couple of weeks I have had to go around in my GA aircraft due to an unstable approaches.

During the time I couldn't successfully use SU2, it only took 15 minutes to go back to SU1 for some flights, before diving back into SU2 for more testing (just another 15 minute install).

So your statement 'It still baffles me as to why you guys put yourselfs through all this' is projecting your personality type onto those who don't see the beta testing as a chore or stressful.  My blood pressure probably lowers due to the pleasure of joining in with the process of improving the hobby and sim I have used for years.

Edited May 16, 20251 yr by MrBitstFlyer