2 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

I do think this was probably the worse time to move if you hadn't done it yet. I could never go back to 2020 but I also wish I could go back to SU3 and I'm not flying very much at all now as a result of the SU4 downgrade. Luckily it's Christmas so I don't have a great deal of free time anyway but I'm optimistic that it will be resolved in the new year. 

My sentiment exactly.

I'm reading posts from those who are staunch advocates of 2024 and continue to 'big up' the sim, saying what a great experience it is, then I continue to hear about all the issues guys are having which would certainly mess with my head! As my 'go to' aircraft is the PMDG738, I do little GA flying these days, so I fail to see any benefits I would gain from moving to 24. A performance gain of a few frames is not an issue for me as I have a pretty beefy machine, seeing blades of grass up close or being able to walk around an airport is nice, but really isn't of any importance to me. When I consider the cost and time spent moving across, not to mention all my hardware peripherals that will need to be reconfigured with profiles, purchasing some of my fave airports that may not be on an upgrade deal, purchasing the pmdg 737 24 version, etc etc. I really can't see any benefit. No doubt I will make the jump at some point, but I'd like to wager a bet there are many others who feel the same way(?) Keeping an open mind though. 

Edited December 23, 2025Dec 23 by Rocky_53

25 minutes ago, Rocky_53 said:

As my 'go to' aircraft is the PMDG738, I do little GA flying these days, so I fail to see any benefits I would gain from moving to 24.

Rocky, your post sums up completely why I've stayed with P3Dv5. A huge amount of work would be required to make my GoFlight hardware work with any other sim, not just MSFS. 95% of my flights are at FL280 up to FL600.

Not to mention the expense of buying lots of airports and aircraft too. Oh, and one final point. Concorde from FS Labs for MSFS is still not available and no mention of it was made by the head man in his Christmas message yesterday. I've been flying it in P3Dv5 for over two years. Each to their own.

14 minutes ago, Rocky_53 said:

I really can't see any benefit.

Absolutely, in your case, Howard. A lot of folk here just assume that everybody uses the sim the same way as they do, and that ain't necessarily so. If you spend most of your time in one or two aircraft and those aircraft are working fine for you, and particularly if you fly tubes up high, then the major changes in 2024 may not be worth the effort to switch. Ray and his P3D Concorde are another good illustration. If you're happy with what you've got, stick with it. For me, 2024 is a big step up from 2020, just because of the visuals, but I keep 2020 around and will continue to do so, even though I barely use it these days.

Only thing I'd add is that I dare say they may not continue to support 2020 indefinitely, as in supplying it with WUs and SUs. There may come a point where the new stuff they produce is dependent on 2024 features and can't be back-ported.

In the meantime, "love me, love my sim" is not a particularly credible stance.

2 hours ago, JetClipperJR said:

The control configuration in 2024 is bad, right?

No, it is better in some ways, eg per aircraft profiles, but it is a bit different to 2020. 

After having conducted four short flights so far, I am happy with my decision to switch to MSFS 2024. I seem to have configured the controls without too many problems, although it did look a bit daunting at first (but then that was also the case with MSFS 2020). The lighting at dawn and dusk is more realistic, the loading times (both with the main simulator itself, and when loading an airport) are lightning fast compared to MSFS 2020 (and that is with all of my addons plus a fair amount of base content/world updates etc installed on my secondary M2 Nvme drive), and the framerates are (so far) super smooth (and that is without any fancy FG enabled).

Interestingly, whilst the "missing AI plane landing gear" problem is evident, it is not all that different to what I experienced in MSFS 2020. The same can also be said about the taxiway signs etc "popping" into existence within a certain range.

I need to see if the GAIST ships are working properly (I have not been in a position to check them yet), but my "static AI aircraft generator" utility is working fine, and may even be working better than it did in MSFS 2020 (I need to do more tests to see if this is a real effect, or just my imagination). By the way, transferring my AIG database to the new simulator was a piece of cake 

There are only two issues that I have noticed so far....

• the taxiway signs at MK Studios BIKF Keflavik v2 look rather blurry. I am not sure why this is the case, as taxiway signs at the other airports that I have been to so far have all been crisp and clear.
• my new PMDG 737-800 has a small issue with respect to the displayed ground speed. I have now seen this twice, so it was not a one off glitch. In short, after I landed and exited the runway, the ground speed figure "froze" (on both the ND and the MFA). I could still increase or decrease my ground speed, but that figure never changed......until a short time later, when it suddenly started working again. I will need to notify PMDG about that, but I would be curious to know if anyone else has noticed this happening or not -- RESOLVED; it is a simulation of the opening of the Overboard Exhaust Valve

Edited December 23, 2025Dec 23 by Christopher Low

What is this 'SU4 downgrade' being spoken of? I simply couldn't use MS2024 before SU4.

Storage is cheap. I added a new 1Tb SSD for 2024 and have been using both sims for a few months now. 2020 for the PMDG, and 2024 for the Fenix. I actually installed Star Citizen on my MSFS2020 drive since I don't foresee my 2020 installation growing much in the future. 

There's no need to "switch". Run both so you can fully enjoy 2020 while getting your 2024 installation up to snuff. 

1 hour ago, andy1252 said:

Absolutely, in your case, Howard. A lot of folk here just assume that everybody uses the sim the same way as they do, and that ain't necessarily so. If you spend most of your time in one or two aircraft and those aircraft are working fine for you, and particularly if you fly tubes up high, then the major changes in 2024 may not be worth the effort to switch. Ray and his P3D Concorde are another good illustration. If you're happy with what you've got, stick with it. For me, 2024 is a big step up from 2020, just because of the visuals, but I keep 2020 around and will continue to do so, even though I barely use it these days.

Only thing I'd add is that I dare say they may not continue to support 2020 indefinitely, as in supplying it with WUs and SUs. There may come a point where the new stuff they produce is dependent on 2024 features and can't be back-ported.

In the meantime, "love me, love my sim" is not a particularly credible stance.

Yes, this is the point.

Just before I left FSX in 2020 (for MSFS), after 14 continuous years in FSX; in terms of aircraft that I love to fly, it was (and will probably remain) the best time ever of my SIM life…🙂…

As long as I did not look at the external world, my beloved MD-11, JS41, Q400, 747, 707, DC8, Concorde, 737-100/200, 727-100/200 (these last two complete with rare Cargo versions), both PMDG/iFly 737NGs (with two complete sets of all variants of 737) etc., plus all associated peripherals and supplementary add-ons (FS2Crew was one of my favorites); were working so well. I had painstakingly created customized FSX profiles (for each a/c) ready to go for each repetitive flight.

I would pick up one of these aircraft alternately, flying “up high”…🙂…, and thought nothing could be better, from my own perspective.

Then, the realization came to me slowly that I’m stuck in a stagnant SIM (with no future). My SIM fitted me like a pair of worn out leather gloves….🙂…

So, I decided to make the transition. I do not still have any of the a/c above, but the new experience (default scenery and a/c included) of the next-Gen SIM has given me a such a fresh (and happy) outlook of this hobby.

I’m just glad to be a part of the continued evolution of Microsoft Simulator, a thriving one, that is hopefully here to stay for all of us, despite its deficiencies, some of which are felt by some more than others, because we are all not looking for the same thing.

The hardest thing was to see my beloved SIM slowly dying, but one that still was perfect for me…in some specific ways.

Happy flying…whatever (MSFS2020, MSFS2024 etc.) that makes it fun for you…today…! That’s what counts most individually…🙂…

Have a great Christmas week…!

The 'controls set up being so bad in MSFS2024'  is a completel falacy in my opinion.

During MS2024's "difficult period" (which no-one is denying) there were problems where configured controls would then be lost once you restarted the sim.  As I recall, that was the main 'problem' with 2024 and control assignments.

That was fixed around 9 months ago, in March.

The controls set up in MS2024 is different.  That's about it.   At the most basic level it's that your devices have moved from a horizontal position across the top of the UI, to a vertical position down the left.  

I find it far more comprehensive a system now I've got used to it.  I was pleasantly surprised to find that 2024 automatically changes between profiles that you've made, for each aircraft.

Eg.  I fly a single piston, my axes are set up for throttle, prop and mixture.  Flying a jet, my profile for twin throttles is automatically loaded for that plane. (This does take a bit of set up to 'assign' the profile.   But once it's done, it's done for good.

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I am happy with my decision to switch to MSFS 2024. I seem to have configured the controls without too many problems, although it did look a bit daunting at first (but then that was also the case with MSFS 2020)

Heck, Christopher was one the most cautious people about moving to MS2024.  What does it tell you if he is now saying the above?!

Anyone should be free to remain with MS2020 if they wish to of course.  My worry would be that addons won't be developed for that platform for too much longer.   Native 2024 aircraft use a completely different 'modular' file structure, with 'attachments' and these planes do not work in MS2020.  As more devs make addons in this way (rather than addons that use the 2020 structure that are 'compatible' with 2024), there will be less and less content available for 2020.   

Edited December 23, 2025Dec 23 by JYW

12 minutes ago, JYW said:

The 'controls set up being so bad in MSFS2024'  is a completel falacy in my opinion.

Totally agree.  For a long time it felt like folks had it in for MSFS 2024.

dd

3 hours ago, odourboy said:

What is this 'SU4 downgrade' being spoken of?

Beats me...

17 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

Beats me...

I think it is just how some folks try to make a point these days.

dd

 

1 hour ago, Rimshot said:

Beats me...

It’s just hyperbole, not borne out by reality. But these days, what even is reality!

6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Rocky, your post sums up completely why I've stayed with P3Dv5. A huge amount of work would be required to make my GoFlight hardware work with any other sim, not just MSFS. 95% of my flights are at FL280 up to FL600.

Not to mention the expense of buying lots of airports and aircraft too. Oh, and one final point. Concorde from FS Labs for MSFS is still not available and no mention of it was made by the head man in his Christmas message yesterday. I've been flying it in P3Dv5 for over two years. Each to their own.

I am thinking about installing P3Dv4 just so that I can scratch the Aerosoft/Cependa DC-8-50 itch.
Same with the CLS DC-10, which had been modded quite a bit as I recall.  Love the "pedigree" of P3D in the sense that a lot of our FS2002/2004/FSX knowledge about modding could carry forward to P3D.  P3Dv4 was the first 64-bit sim of any stripe and at the time (2017-18) in my opinion it was the finest simulation in the world.

It's been too long and as you say, if I'm managing fuel tanks at 35,000 feet I don't care about the rest of it.

'24 is nice though, if the DC-8 (or FSL Concorde!) were in that sim I wouldn't mind...