On 9/11/2026 at 12:41 PM, Flic1 said:

Outside of maybe a couple Dev mode things, there's about zero things of interest in this SU. So many issues still out there that seem to not be getting addressed (AI landing gear culling, dim aircraft lighting, no runway lights in low viz, Live WX cloud regression, lack of CB's, etc, etc). There's always the next new version of MSFS in 2028 or 2030 I guess...

When I read through these update notes, that's the first thing I thought. They're just fixing small, under-the-hood stuff, which is welcomed -- but I think they're saving all these bigger issues we really want fixed for the next version, whether that's 2028 or whichever year. It's not the end of the world so long as the next version really does address these issues. Would be nice to get them sooner than later.

4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Let me see if I’ve got this right:

MS/Asobo have delivered a flight sim that single-handedly destroyed the previous Serious Simmers flight sim in a matter of months.

The global scenery is so good that the 800lb gorilla Orbx has devolved from a massively successful,dominant content creator to a third party dev publishing aggregator.

Oh, and while we’re taking about scenery, do you remember all those perfectly flat runways in P3D?

The default flight/physics modeling is light years beyond P3D/FSX, and is nearly as good as anything ever put out by A2A, MilViz or most of the addons in X-Plane.

And how about helicopters a previously the bane of the flight simmers choice of flight sims?

They delivered a streaming platform that practically obviates the need to order a new hard drive every quarter

We’ve got built in realtime weather instead of having to buy 2 or 3 Active Sky modules

They’ve eliminated the need to endlessly fiddle with most addons and the sim itself and delivered stability on-par with X-Plane and the most mature P3D releases

And, at the end of the day, they’ve managed to “fail” so badly at flight sim development that MSFS is the undisputed heavyweight champion of all time even when it comes to Serious Simmers such as the ever increasing number of those who participate in the annual Navigraph Survey.

All while managing to integrate game mechanics that have attracted what’s likely an order of magnitude more flight simmers than ever before.

Did I get all that right…? Yes, I did.

Kinda makes me wonder which one of you “doesn’t understand flights sims or flight simmers” 🤣

I agree with this mostly. It's just that there are issues in this sim, that the previous sims did not have.

The biggest example being the LOD culling with landing gears.

12 minutes ago, simsuper80 said:

I agree with this mostly. It's just that there are issues in this sim, that the previous sims did not have.

The biggest example being the LOD culling with landing gears.

Just turn up your fauna setting to high. Yes landing gear are considered small animals.

dd

6 hours ago, Funky D said:

.........and I don't particularly pay attention to what the AI aircraft are doing.

The AI aircraft do nothing on my PC because they are only displayed as static aircraft. However, I notice the missing landing gear on them every time that I use the simulator, and it is an immersion breaker for me.

7 hours ago, SeedyL said:

Hello @Christopher Low,

You do not need a moderator to manually verify your account. All of this is explained in the stickied thread here: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/trust-levels-and-how-to-advance/121729

The trust level "nonsense" (as another poster described it) is a forum security measure to prevent bots and spammers. For a regular forum user such as yourself, it is very quick and 100% automated to advance to the trust level where you can start a new thread.

Thanks,

SeedyL, MSFS Community Manager

Thanks for the information. I have now added a topic regarding the "Sun and Moon symbols in the Free Flight Options Menu" to the Bug Reporting Hub (User Interface & Activities section). Hopefully, others will be able to confirm this.

5 hours ago, Gulf76 said:

Yeah, but you’re not the average simmer here complaining about not seeing landing gear. 😆 I didn’t mean to imply that just because you sim, you might not enjoy the racing. It was rather to amplify where MS is focused which is on drawing in new players, not on adding in new features the traditional simmer is clamoring for. I for one will also enjoy it.

And please don’t assume I mainly fly airliners. They are my least flown plane. I own over 100 payware aircraft (Helicopters, bush, GA, biz jets, warbirds, airliners, etc.) and over 500 other add-ons (airports, bush strips, world enhancements, utilities, etc.) I am pretty sure I’ve explored EVERY aspect MSFS can provide and rotate between the different categories of aircraft frequently.

Lastly, I have been one of the staunchest supporters of MSFS 2024. I’m not bothered by what a lot of simmers here view as important items to be fixed. My entire post was not to be critical of the sim, but rather to tell everyone that they should probably adjust their expectations on getting a lot of new features in this iteration of MSFS.

Okay, fair. I misunderstood your point.

And I do agree that MS is particularly focused on growing the user base. And I think that’s a good thing!

what we’ve seen is that MSFS users get a lot of freebies that have never been offered by others in devs. And that’s undoubtedly due to the massive number of users enabling it.

Webs also seen that there have been plenty of serious simmer stuff pushed into the sim over the years - I mean, it’s SO much better than the early days of v2020.

Anyhow, seems like we see more eye to eye than I thought🤙

4 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

When I read through these update notes, that's the first thing I thought. They're just fixing small, under-the-hood stuff, which is welcomed -- but I think they're saving all these bigger issues we really want fixed for the next version, whether that's 2028 or whichever year. It's not the end of the world so long as the next version really does address these issues. Would be nice to get them sooner than later.

Yes, I am starting to think that all the major new features we are requesting, including improvements to the weather, may end up appearing in MSFS 2028 (or whatever the next version is).

Working Title has done an AAU for MSFS 2024, and of course the 707 was redone and made much better, but aside from that, I don't think there have been major feature inclusions since MSFS 2024 was launched (maybe I missed a few plane enhancements or plane additions though). I thought they would start to include major new features again after SU4, or SU5, when MSFS 2024 had become much more stable, but we're moving into SU7 and it's mainly been bug fixes, with small feature enhancements being added (but no major feature enhancements, aside from AAU).

Edited September 13Sep 13 by abrams_tank

If they do that, they had better make sure that MSFS 2024 airports are fully compatible with it.

Sounds like MSFS2028 is going to be amazing then. Can't wait 😉

I wonder if we wiill ever get some kind of "modern days" BAO's A&AF that made my days in the early 90s of the last Century, with AI and we telling the interface what kind of aircraft we want to build, offering simply text / voice, or complementing with data tables, sketches, photographs, videos...

Edited September 13Sep 13 by jcomm

11 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I’M a “hard core [PC] simmer ” and I can hardly wait for the improved air racing aspect.

there’s a LOT more to flight sim than big fat airliners flying themselves.

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

what we’ve seen is that MSFS users get a lot of freebies that have never been offered by others in devs.

Coming predominantly from a Sim Racing background I'm also intrigued and looking forward to more Racing type features & content, also on that note it's only in the Flight Sim world where "freebies" are something that's never been offered before (probably), as in the Sim Racing world this happens all the time.

13 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Let me see if I’ve got this right:

MS/Asobo have delivered a flight sim that single-handedly destroyed the previous Serious Simmers flight sim in a matter of months.

The global scenery is so good that the 800lb gorilla Orbx has devolved from a massively successful,dominant content creator to a third party dev publishing aggregator.

Oh, and while we’re taking about scenery, do you remember all those perfectly flat runways in P3D?

The default flight/physics modeling is light years beyond P3D/FSX, and is nearly as good as anything ever put out by A2A, MilViz or most of the addons in X-Plane.

And how about helicopters a previously the bane of the flight simmers choice of flight sims?

They delivered a streaming platform that practically obviates the need to order a new hard drive every quarter

We’ve got built in realtime weather instead of having to buy 2 or 3 Active Sky modules

They’ve eliminated the need to endlessly fiddle with most addons and the sim itself and delivered stability on-par with X-Plane and the most mature P3D releases

And, at the end of the day, they’ve managed to “fail” so badly at flight sim development that MSFS is the undisputed heavyweight champion of all time even when it comes to Serious Simmers such as the ever increasing number of those who participate in the annual Navigraph Survey.

All while managing to integrate game mechanics that have attracted what’s likely an order of magnitude more flight simmers than ever before.

Did I get all that right…? Yes, I did.

Kinda makes me wonder which one of you “doesn’t understand flights sims or flight simmers” 🤣

Asobo in '24 have delivered a gamified experience pushing a specific way to play rather than the fully open world that has defined GA flight sims.
Can you name another sim that doesn't allow you to crash ? Not one with an option to turn off crashes but one that simply doesn't allow crashing to have any consquences ?

Whether that's messed up OrbX's business model or not is of absolutely zero relavence.

As for knocking P3D out of the Home Sim game, I'm not sure that was quite such an impressive feat as you, largely due to the fact the the sim's License EXPLICITY banned that kind of use. That's a product not exactly going out of it's way to compete in the market.

Edited September 13Sep 13 by Matchstick

11 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

Asobo in '24 have delivered a gamified experience pushing a specific way to play rather than the fully open world that has defined GA flight sims.

pushing and offering are two different things. Asobo offers a gamified experience no different to all the career apps that have existed since FS9 days (perhaps earlier). Why is it fine for career apps to have existed for decades without complaint but a problem for Asobo to now offer?

At the end of the day, there's nothing stopping me from starting the sim and pressing "Free Flight". I am not forced to use any form of this gamification. Nor does MSFS prevent me in any way or form from accessing it's fully open world in the way that I desire.

18 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

Can you name another sim that doesn't allow you to crash ? Not one with an option to turn off crashes but one that simply doesn't allow crashing to have any consquences ?

Maybe I'm not understanding this question properly but most civil sims offer the same crash options as MSFS currently does. If you want comprehensive crash mechanics then there's options like DCS.

13 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

As for knocking P3D out of the Home Sim game, I'm not sure that was quite such an impressive feat as you, largely due to the fact the the sim's License EXPLICITY banned that kind of use. That's a product not exactly going out of it's way to compete in the market.

Oh come on, don't be disingenuous now, because you know despite what the license states on usage, everyone used it for home simming. Everyone who wasn't using Xplane was using P3D. You're side-stepping to avoid acknowledging all of @UrgentSiesta 's points.

4 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

pushing and offering are two different things. Asobo offers a gamified experience no different to all the career apps that have existed since FS9 days (perhaps earlier). Why is it fine for career apps to have existed for decades without complaint but a problem for Asobo to now offer?

At the end of the day, there's nothing stopping me from starting the sim and pressing "Free Flight". I am not forced to use any form of this gamification. Nor does MSFS prevent me in any way or form from accessing it's fully open world in the way that I desire.

Maybe I'm not understanding this question properly but most civil sims offer the same crash options as MSFS currently does. If you want comprehensive crash mechanics then there's options like DCS.

Oh come on, don't be disingenuous now, because you know despite what the license states on usage, everyone used it for home simming. Everyone who wasn't using Xplane was using P3D. You're side-stepping to avoid acknowledging all of @UrgentSiesta 's points.

MSFS '24 pushes it's curated experience to the front, a cynic might suggest because career mode is designed to push plane sales on the MP rather than third party stores.
You've never wondered by the free flight button is the smallest on the screen ?
Similarly why not offer an unranked open career mode that allowed any plane from any store but had no scoring ?

As for P3D, the issue isn't that people didn't use it's rather than LM didn't care one little bit about them because there were a tiny rounding error compared to the money made from their actual target market and so made absolutely no attempt to respond to MSFS's arrival because without a commercial license it had no material effect on them.

Finally crashing - I know of NO other sim in history that has had and equivalent of "Back on Track" that can't be turned off ?
Do you know of one ?

In essence 2024 is Asobo's attempt to create Forza Horizons for planes and the general sim aspects have suffered from the effort put into that focus.

Edited September 13Sep 13 by Matchstick

Chaseplane is still unable. Maybe next week?