7 minutes ago, Patco Lch said:

I am not saying this for a fact but at times I can't help but wonder if some developers don't have "plants" on these forums who's mission is to berate or belittle those saying anything, even in the form of an honest opinion or question, which might insinuate less than perfection toward their product.  They know there's always no shortage of impressionable folk who love to pile on once the momentum gets going. 

I often find myself  feeling empathy for the underdog  having been there a time or two myself as most of us have. That's not always beneficial because  at times there is good reason they are the underdog. I just don't like to see folk  being disrespected or insulted or called a liar on a hobby forum. 

I'm sure Microsoft like most companies has a very competent legal team if they need defending and can get by without forum thugs looking out for them.  

No one in mind, just wonder. 

There were a few, and they have been eliminated when discovered due to their constant negative opinions of other
developer's work!  Many have tried sneaking back in! 🥷

Everyone keep in mind that all folks have opinions and they may differ from how you feel.  But always remember
who's opinion counts the most:

5 hours ago, rmeier said:

Personally, I think the moderators today do a very good job...yes, there may be times a topic has run, but, the mods do allow opinions on a topic to run their course before closing a thread.

I suspect it's not an easy, nor thankful, role.

I concur, they do a very good job of not overreacting and putting such a damper on discussion that its scope and depth is shaped into something so restricted it doesn't really represent how users think and feel.  It's not an easy nor thankful role and they're only human like the rest of us.

This guy sounds like as much of a MSFS developer as I am a Veteran F16 Pilot since the release of Falcon 1.0 😅

Which is a good reminder for me to thank the moderators on here for keeping this place clean

I don't comment here often anymore but I do read threads that interest me without comment.  At my age there are a lot of things I no longer understand.   I would say, however, this entire thread is a sign of the times.  I reside in an old folks home now and a common attitude among us is we lived in the best of times and are entering the worst of times.  That's not necessarily true.  It's just that most of us oldsters (three of our community celebrated 100 year old birthdays this month) don't understand today's society anymore. 

A lot opinion differences are generational...like civility.  I suspect many who participate on this forum are late teenagers and those in their 20s.  I am 90 and have never had a Facebook account or participated in social media save this forum.  I say this as a person who has to have his replies approved by a moderator before it is published due to my improper sounding off several years ago.

Noel

You are still loved by many, Noel...

...myself among the many!  💝

3 hours ago, birdguy said:

It's just that most of us oldsters (three of our community celebrated 100 year old birthdays this month) don't understand today's society anymore. 

Noel, when you're talking about the flight simming community, we ARE today's society! 😄  I'm a mere 75 years old myself.

Hook

14 hours ago, RobPol471 said:

but the most important thing for me is that there is someone who takes care of eliminating any bugs or improving the product

This is exactly, I repeat, exactly the reason AVSIM is not toxic. There is so very many people who dedicate their time, energy and expertise to eliminate problems and to help people who are not able to sort out a specific problem, be that a bug or simply a problem with hardware or software.

Having been a recipient of an incredible amount of help and advice here over the years, I am very able to tolerate or ignore any toxicity in this forum. Toxicity is only effective when people respond to and take the baits offered. It is not something we are actually forced to take on board and lose sleep over.

I would like to raise a huge shoutout to everyone who goes the extra mile to help people and they are simply far too numerous to mention here My guess is that there is a ratio between toxic OPs and helpful respondents of about 1 to 100.  So very easy to ignore without effort.

Peace to all and I believe that I am just one who loves this forum.

Regards

Tony

 

The best comments were those from guys denying any toxicity and answering with a very….toxic comment. Luckily those were deleted by the moderators who are doing a good job in my opinion. It’s just funny here sometimes.

16 hours ago, GSalden said:

The whole world has chamged since IN and smartphones were introduced.

People nowadays are having a shorter fuse. 

But in 30 years from now people will state that the 2020s where a gentle period.

2050 : Judge Dred will be reality 🤔

yep speaking of  smart  phones and social media, eg tik tok  face book etc here in oz  they are looking  in  to bringing in a law  that will ban  users  under  16  to joining  any  media social networks.  This  is  due  to the  rise  here  in  oz  in  bullying  online  which  results  in  suicide  in  young  teenagers

33 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

The best comments were those from guys denying any toxicity and answering with a very….toxic comment.

I wanted to make that comment but thought better of it.  It seems some people are so naturally toxic that they don't recognize it.

Hook

Well I have to say I find things quite gentlemanly here compared to the real world aviation forums such as pprune.

I’ve been an airline pilot over 30 years, with the last 20 years of that being in command of heavy Boeings, so I could probably hold my own against anyone on those real world pilot forums, however I don’t go near them, the levels of arrogance is just astounding.

I much prefer it here. When questions come up about real world operations I try to answer where I can, and hopefully not in a patronising manner. And the same can be said for all the other RW pilots we have here, who I feel share a similar outlook and character, with their interest in simulation.

In return I sometimes have questions about the hardware or software which I have limited knowledge and these are then answered in a kindly fashion by more knowledgeable members.

 

You definitely come across as one of the nicest guys on here, Jon. It is a pleasure to have you with us 👍

54 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

You definitely come across as one of the nicest guys on here, Jon. It is a pleasure to have you with us 👍

The same back at you Christopher , as I believe the Americans say !

 

1 hour ago, jon b said:

I could probably hold my own against anyone on those real world pilot forums, however I don’t go near them, the levels of arrogance is just astounding.

Perhaps it's better to be a big frog in a small pond. 🙂  Jon, you've been great and it's always a pleasure to read your posts.

Hook