1 hour ago, anden145 said:

Personally I won't be purchasing any more software/addons from FSLabs. 

Given their whole incident-which-must-not-be-named and their - in my opinion - general lack of forthcoming and disingenous demeanor, I really dislike them. Sorry.

In my personal view, Fenix is a much better developer, seen from a customers perspective. They're nice and forthcoming. Have transparency and display passion for what they're doing. It's clear that they like what they're doing and they like their customers and it shows. They're clear about expectations and they're clear and honest of setting set expectations for themselves and their customers, so you know what to expect and - more importantly what not to expect.

Whether or not, the Fenix A320-series will be better/worse from a technical- and feature-wise perspective? I don't know, and honestly I don't really care. I'd rather have a less feature-rich addon (the Fenix at it's current level is more than enough for me!), than supporting a developer who's attitude and business operations, I dislike.

Fully agree on this. The Fslabs were in a hot seat on Prepar3d, but totally missed the boat in MSFS. Fenix stepped in and boy did they take over the Airbus crowds. I don't think the Fslabs can compete with this guys, the bar is set too high IMO.

Edited November 30, 20241 yr by hollow1slo

Until they launch an A330 i'm not touching FSL ever again. With the Fenix being so SO good and also from a company which is so open and communicative, why even bother with FSL?

Now on the A330 side, the one in MSFS2024 is not great (heck it flies worse than the A310 and buggy too) so if they ever come out with one and if nobody else manages to make a good one, here i go, specially if made for the original MSFS.

I personally don't care whether a developer is a nice person or not. Whether he communicates or not. Before purchasing a product, I will ascertain, on a technical level, whether I want the product or not, without any emotions towards the person or a company who made it. The decision will be based upon the price for features, and whether I like and want to have those. Whether I have or have not the Fenix, what does it matter? I am sure that at some point in life you bought something similar, even though you already owned something else of the same kind. Never heard people owning more cars, because they simply like them all?

What I do when purchasing an addon is going into a business transaction. Money for product.

From there on, I care only about two things:

- is the product working as advertised?

- does it have bugs, and if it does, is a developer dedicated on fixing them?

What I will not be doing, is contemplating whether it was the right purchase or not afterwards. I expect from myself to do a research before buying.

Edited November 30, 20241 yr by Simon_C

From the FSLabs forum discussion on the A321 CEO and NEO for MSFS:

 

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Yes, specially related with the following announcement:

“We're very excited to be working on the A320 NEO which we expect to make available on the Prepar3D platform initially.”

more than 2 years ago. We will have maybe update? Something for the P3D users?

 

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i agree with you..i was disappointed with fslabs when they suddenly pulled the development of the p3d NEO..they should have worked on with it..maybe they did..who knows but you'll never get an answer or hint as they are more secretive than the masons..hopefully we will get some sort of announcement regarding it..

I don't know what to tell these two. But the likelihood of FSLabs making the A32x NEO for P3D is extremely unlikely at this point.

Edited November 30, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

1 hour ago, Skytatoo said:

Fully agree on this. The Fslabs were in a hot seat on Prepar3d, but totally missed the boat in MSFS. Fenix stepped in and boy did they take over the Airbus crowds. I don't think the Fslabs can compete with this guys, the bar is set too high IMO.

Of course they can compete. FSLabs produced arguably the most complex airliner ever developed in flight simulation when they released the A320 for P3D. They are known for their attention to detail as far as system depth is concerned.

1 hour ago, Simon_C said:

I personally don't care whether a developer is a nice person or not. Whether he communicates or not. Before purchasing a product, I will ascertain, on a technical level, whether I want the product or not, without any emotions towards the person or a company who made it. The decision will be based upon the price for features, and whether I like and want to have those. Whether I have or have not the Fenix, what does it matter? I am sure that at some point in life you bought something similar, even though you already owned something else of the same kind. Never heard people owning more cars, because they simply like them all?

What I do when purchasing an addon is going into a business transaction. Money for product.

From there on, I care only about two things:

- is the product working as advertised?

- does it have bugs, and if it does, is a developer dedicated on fixing them?

What I will not be doing, is contemplating whether it was the right purchase or not afterwards. I expect from myself to do a research before buying.

Well its your decision but you do not have to make a dramatic post about it. Just buy if you want to.

FSL made an extremely good Airbus for P3D. I still use it. 

I'll be getting this for MSFS (once I upgrade my PC).

They have been fine to me as a customer, and I think their offering will better their competition

 

A friend of mine is a seasoned Airline Captain, with years and many type ratings, presently flying 320 and 321 LR as captain.

He uses P3D and MSFS, as well as XP11.

He has all addons, including Fenix and, OFC the FSLabs for P3D.

According to him, nothing beats FSLabs, so, when he's up to "the deal" in 320, he picks FSLabs with P3D... He likes to play with the Fenix, yes, but just that... 

I'm sure the FSLabs for MSFS can make quite a difference !

Edited November 30, 20241 yr by jcomm

3 hours ago, Skytatoo said:

Fenix stepped in and boy did they take over the Airbus crowds. I don't think the Fslabs can compete with this guys, the bar is set too high IMO.

The only product that can absolutely be described as "professional" in the entire history of Flight Simulator is FlightSim Labs A320 for P3D.
I can safely say that 70 to 80% of the Airbus' complex systems are reproduced identically, which is an extraordinary feat for a PC simulator.
Any action on the flight controls or on all the instruments has an impact on the quality of the flight or its safety.
No switch or button is there to look pretty or to light up. They all refer to a specific avionics function and are all operational.
I love Fenix, for their seriousness, their relationship with us, for the quality of their work and especially for their respect towards their customers. But for now, they are not yet at the level of FSLabs in terms of realism and high fidelity in the reproduction of systems and FBW. They will surely get there, no doubt, they are guys full of talents.

Maybe avail now if you click on coming soon?

No go as price clickable yet.

 

 

Edited November 30, 20241 yr by simon747

10 hours ago, mspencer said:

This was because the version locked it - it would probably actually run fine in the sim, but if the version mismatched the DLL it would fail. I think this was another attempt at DRM.

Yep, agreed that’s the most likely cause. As an end user it’s just plain annoying. So here’s to hoping they step up the game in MSFS world 

While I'm sure the people who are obsessive about systems and failures prefer FSL.  I still think the overall immersion of fenix makes it far more enjoyable for me.  I'm pretty intrigued by the NEO however from FSL as I would like to replace the FBW.  

7 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

Forgive me, but this is not what is written. The announcement says:

As a token of appreciation, customers who purchase the A321ceo between now and the A321neo release will be eligible for a discount on the A321neo. I

According to the statement above, you can buy the Ceo and get a discount on the Neo, but if you don't, you buy the Neo without a discount.

I didn't say it was, I said IF.  As of this morning several more users have asked the question on the NEO and FSLabs has yet to clarify except to state it will be a free upgrade for 2024. I guess will wait and see at this point. 

The line you posted could also mean that if I purchase the NEO after the release then I pay full price. No where does it say if it's a standalone or expansion. Why should I have to purchase the CEO when I have the Fenix just so I can get a discount on the NEO? It's such a simple question to clarify. 

Edited November 30, 20241 yr by Wise87

7 hours ago, Nuno Pinto said:

Now on the A330 side, the one in MSFS2024 is not great (heck it flies worse than the A310 and buggy too) so if they ever come out with one and if nobody else manages to make a good one, here i go, specially if made for the original MSFS.

I thought I was the only one thinking this way. Hope these birds are not as framerate-hungry as the P3D ones.

32 minutes ago, micstatic said:

While I'm sure the people who are obsessive about systems and failures prefer FSL.  I still think the overall immersion of fenix makes it far more enjoyable for me. 

What exactly are the differences you saw vis-a-vis "immersion", I wonder? Fenix had "borrowed" lots of what you might consider immersion features from the FSL bus.