1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

The one big stand out for 2024 seems to be the huge range of user experiences that remain....unexplained. I have a fairly medium end system and a below par internet connection.  There seems to be no rhyme or reason why some suffer from stuttering and others have no problems at all....

 

 

The video you posted did not occur: its all obvious AI trickery! Anyone here can tell you that MSFS2024 is an unfinished, barely tested, stutter-y and blurry mess from incompetent programmers that should probably be fired. Anyone who says otherwise is a fanboi wearing heavily rose-colored glasses.

To the OP: Nice try! 😇

1 hour ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

What you are saying is bad or good?

dd

It is the plain truth.

Yet another 2020 is slow to load meme...

 

 

Yeah look I agree SU3 has been awesome for me and it runs great.  I have FSLTL working now in MSFS24 so I have no need to go back to MSFS20.  I sometimes get VRAM warnings so I'll upgrade my 4070TI to a 5070TI when it's on sale.  My system is only an i5-13600K O/C to 5.1 and 32GB DDR4 @ 1440p so they've done a good job at optimising the sim.

8 hours ago, btacon said:

My only comment on this topic.  I am 68 years old.  Got my SEL PPL at 20 years young.  Served in the USAF for about 14 years as an Air Traffic Controller, both TOWER and TRACON (RAPCON). Was an Instructor for four of those years where I taught both disciplines and more at Kessler AFB, MS.  Our Training made extensive use of Simulators.  Our TOWER simulation was considered State of the Art for many years and received much positive praise from Aviation Press and Professionals.  I bought my first computer sometime around 1985 and purchased Flight Simulator II shortly thereafter and have had owned EVERY version since, plus many more flight simulators from other developers  (Flight Unlimited II anyone).  To those in this thread who chose to constantly harangue and belittle this software and it’s developers I suggest you need to get out and away from flight simulation for awhile because if you don’t appreciate or recognize what an amazing feat this software represents and the long and arduous journey it  took to get here, then maybe Golf is more up your alley.

Peace and Blue skies to all

-B

Perspective hehe!  Great post!

7 hours ago, Fielder said:

I play 2024 almost exclusively, starting about 2 days after it's release. But I fully realize I am in the minority group. 

I bet you're not. 

The people enjoying MSFS 2024 are actually playing the game, rather than constantly complaining. 

 

for me i still have those massive stutters jutst before landing... No idea what causes this as the sim is smooth in all other flight phases...

5 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

The video you posted did not occur: its all obvious AI trickery! Anyone here can tell you that MSFS2024 is an unfinished, barely tested, stutter-y and blurry mess from incompetent programmers that should probably be fired. Anyone who says otherwise is a fanboi wearing heavily rose-colored glasses.

To the OP: Nice try! 😇

Maybe because some fly in the middle of nowhere without traffic and land at small airports without anything moving (like in the video poosted) and others test the sim at EGLL, EDDF, LFPG, etc.? Try to taxi, takeoff and land at one of those airports with live traffic and static planes.

Also, a bug related to mainthread (=stuttering) has been logged by Asobo, it's not grumpy simmer's fantasy: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/mainthread-loads-up-more-and-more-and-doesnt-recover/729018

7 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

Maybe because some fly in the middle of nowhere without traffic and land at small airports without anything moving (like in the video poosted) and others test the sim at EGLL, EDDF, LFPG, etc.? Try to taxi, takeoff and land at one of those airports with live traffic and static planes.

Also, a bug related to mainthread (=stuttering) has been logged by Asobo, it's not grumpy simmer's fantasy: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/mainthread-loads-up-more-and-more-and-doesnt-recover/729018

Unlike many, I'm a lover of large city airports: New York, Boston, London......

I've pretty much always done fine in those places, and even better in SU3

I have Inibuilds JFKv2 though, and that thing is the biggest ram hog I've ever seen in the game.

Nonetheless If I turn textures to medium it runs fine, and it seems that Vram usage starts high there, spikes in the red, then slowly settles down to yellow, then white, as if 2024 is doing things/something to actively bring it down.

As I fly around the last few days, the sim seems to be operating (generally) better and better.

It could be just an illusion, but I swear its doing something to dynamically cut Vram....

14 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

The "negative nellies" are the ones who want MSFS 2024 to be everything that it should have been when it was released. I have seen more than enough comments suggesting that certain aspects of MSFS 2024 are inferior to MSFS 2020 to make me want to hold on to what I already have.

BTW, do you also check other sources other than AVSIM? I also check r/flightsim, r/microsoftflightsim, the official MSFS forums, and even FSElite.  Here is a highly upvoted thread in r/flightsim, with 460 upvotes, which is very high for upvotes for a typical thread in r/flightsim: 

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/1mvxk0t/this_is_what_should_have_been_released_on_launch/

At this point, there are a lot of people that are happy with SU3.  That's not to say that SU3 doesn't have problems, it still does, and some of the complaints are valid.  But if you have followed r/flightsim at all since MSFS 2024's release, it has been very critical of MSFS 2024, and the fact that there is a thread now with 460 upvotes who agree that SU3 is in a decent state, shows the improvement of MSFS 2024 since release (just check the threads in r/flightsim in the first month of MSFS 2024, it was just negative, after negative, after negative threads about MSFS 2024).

One more thing - I have seen some complainers about MSFS 2024 in this thread (whom I will not name), that were heavily complaining about MSFS 2020 when MSFS 2020 released Sim Update 14 and Sim Update 15.  By the time MSFS 2020 relased Sim Update 14 and Sim Update 15, it was actually in a very, very, good state, but yet these same people were ripping MSFS 2020 apart by Sim Update 14 and Sim Update 15 anyways.  

Edited August 30, 2025Aug 30 by abrams_tank

Having read the 4 pages diligently - to see if I could glean anything that might help me and my conclusion is that - In a way - I am so glad that for the life of me - after 5 days of trying I cannot simply install - or use 2024 - beyond the infamous 97% - and since many $$ have been spent on 2020 - it looks as if it is here to stay with this old bloke

 This despite a myriad of help from all sources - including MS -- what is constant - is that they say my bandwidth "is too low" but it's 100 Mps - hard wired - the recommended minimum!.

This all on PC - but I also have an X Box on which it starts up without any probs. and downloaded and running on a WIFI connection  - but all my expensive hardware is on PC

I think that some of us (myself included) are just a bit paranoid when it comes to upgrading. MSFS 2020 has flaws, but I am used to those flaws. Switching to MSFS 2024 would introduce me to flaws (however minor) that I am not used to, and that would be an uncomfortable experience for me until I adjusted to it. This is why I am reluctant to change unless there is a very good reason for me to do so. Buying a new PC would be the perfect time for me to switch, so I am really hoping that SU4 is the point at which I will be confident enough in the new simulator for this to be a painless experience.

We don't need a MSFS2028, at least not at the year 2028 IMO !

cheers 😉

29 minutes ago, jaytee73 said:

Having read the 4 pages diligently - to see if I could glean anything that might help me and my conclusion is that - In a way - I am so glad that for the life of me - after 5 days of trying I cannot simply install - or use 2024 - beyond the infamous 97% - and since many $$ have been spent on 2020 - it looks as if it is here to stay with this old bloke

 This despite a myriad of help from all sources - including MS -- what is constant - is that they say my bandwidth "is too low" but it's 100 Mps - hard wired - the recommended minimum!.

This all on PC - but I also have an X Box on which it starts up without any probs. and downloaded and running on a WIFI connection  - but all my expensive hardware is on PC

Hey Jaytee73, I asked you if MSFS Zendesk replied to you and what did they say to you when they replied, but you didn't respond to me: 

Anyways, is your internet connection 100 Mbps, or 10 Mbps?  The minimum requirements for MSFS 2024 is 10 Mbps, not 100 Mbps.

Now I was asking you to see if MSFS Zendesk gave you a reply, because depending on what their reply was, I was going to suggest a final solution, which would probably work for you (it's not 100% guaranteed to work, but it's very likely to work), but it's also a last resort.  If you have 100 Mbps connection, then chances are, you installed something in the past, that is blocking MSFS 2024 from installing.  In the other thread, Anthony25368 figured out that it was AIG that causing the 97% problem for them.  But if you can't recall what you installed in the past that would affect MSFS 2024, then you're probably at a standstill.  If you installed something for MSFS 2020, it could also affect MSFS 2024, depending on what you installed.

As a last resort, you can reinstall Windows 11, and then install MSFS 2024 again, and you will probably get past the 97% issue, because you are using a clean install of Windows.  If you do this, make sure you only install the NVidia drivers and install whatever bare bones drivers is necessary to run your computer, and you don't install any other software except for MSFS 2024, first.  Then after the clean Windows 11 reinstall, see if MSFS 2024 installs properly, and if you can run it. On a new Windows reinstall, MSFS 2024 should install correctly and also run correctly, provided you don't have any hardware issues.  Once MSFS 2024 is running on your new Windows 11 installation, keep a list of everything you install for MSFS 2024 - it's likely one of these things that you installed, that is causing the 97% issue for MSFS 2024.

This is a last resort though, and something that I don't suggest unless all other options for you have failed, because you will lose all the data and lose everything else on your computer with a Windows 11 reinstall. Of course you should backup your data before doing a Windows 11 reinstall.  But you need to be careful that you don't have any valuable data that you may lose, because you failed to back it up before reinstalling Windows 11.  We can discuss this in the other thread though, because I don't think this is the thread to troubleshoot your issues with MSFS 2024. And if you decide to do a Windows 11 reinstall, I suggest you ask a good friend who is a tech person to help you.

Edited August 30, 2025Aug 30 by abrams_tank

3 hours ago, RTK1972 said:

for me i still have those massive stutters jutst before landing... No idea what causes this as the sim is smooth in all other flight phases...

In a nutshell, it's caused by the increase in polygons that load in, when you land.  In other words, it's the increase in objects, textures, and other details, that causes an overall increase in polygons, at/near ground level when you land.  At cruise level, your computer is not processing nearly as many polygons.

You can also observe the same phenomenon when you spawn in.  When you spawn in, MSFS will stutter, and the textures may start out poor, until 30 seconds or a minute later, and then it becomes smooth and the textures look good.