PMDG could be talking about the most expensive cup of coffee in the world and that would be Kopi Luwak bean. So don't hold your breath for 5 bucks!

10 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

you guys should feel ashamed of yourselves  

and no, I’m not kidding  

Siesta, I read it and understood it just fine. This is a deceptive post as we've been previously told by Mathijs that they would showcase what is NEW in this upcoming release.

There was a preset expectation for what this kind of post WOULD be by Mathijs himself. I don't have a problem with the post itself but it can come across as deceptive at first glance because it is not what we were told to expect in the coming days of release. When I did ask Mathijs if we would see what was actually NEW this was his response

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The manual contains a chapter on what's new at a more general level; the features listed here are partly those already present in the FS2020 product. A330 Driver has a video on the new aspects. It's actually not easy to list all that has been worked on because every bit of the FS2020 has been looked at and adapted. The professional delivery to Boeing required us to do so.

So either I need to buy the upgrade to have access to the manual to see what is well and truly new here, or hope Emi's videos covers everything that was new because it's apparently too difficult for Mathijs and the PMDG team to do a write-up on what we can genuinely expect from having a paid upgrade?

I mean come on.

Would be comical if the upgrade price is $70 and lnav wobble fix is a special paid upgrade—worth the price to see all the crying and drama by the usual suspects here at avsim. 

Seems I have purchased that thing like 5 TIMES dating back to 2004.

10 minutes ago, Torkermax said:

Seems I have purchased that thing like 5 TIMES dating back to 2004.

We all have. It gets old. 

38 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Siesta, I read it and understood it just fine. This is a deceptive post as we've been previously told by Mathijs that they would showcase what is NEW in this upcoming release.

There was a preset expectation for what this kind of post WOULD be by Mathijs himself. I don't have a problem with the post itself but it can come across as deceptive at first glance because it is not what we were told to expect in the coming days of release. When I did ask Mathijs if we would see what was actually NEW this was his response

So either I need to buy the upgrade to have access to the manual to see what is well and truly new here, or hope Emi's videos covers everything that was new because it's apparently too difficult for Mathijs and the PMDG team to do a write-up on what we can genuinely expect from having a paid upgrade?

I mean come on.

It’s “deceptive” because you have an “expectation” that wasn’t met…? 😂

The post was literal truth.

this is a “you” problem, if for no other reason than the product isn’t for sale AND nobody’s forcing you to buy it 

 

1 minute ago, UrgentSiesta said:

It’s “deceptive” because you have an “expectation” that wasn’t met…? 😂

Alright, so you didn’t read my post. I made it clear 3 times that it was not my expectation, we were told what to expect in the days coming to release.

 

5 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

AND nobody’s forcing you to buy it 

Why is this always the response given when people voice their concerns about a product. I enjoy PMDG products, I am allowed to dislike certain aspects about PMDG and their products whilst STILL enjoying their products. It doesn’t have to be black and white, I swear some people just lack nuance.

3 hours ago, YukonPete said:

My guess will be around $30 for existing customers 

1.00 USD = 1.37754064 CAD, or $41.32 CDN...MEH! They'll still get me.😉

7 hours ago, Georgleboui said:

That's it right there. People ask why not just get iFly, but... it's a Max. 
And no cargo or BBJ variants to boot.

What!?  PMDG isn't doing a cargo or BBJ for the 737?

Edited December 15, 2025Dec 15 by Dreamflight767

7 minutes ago, Dreamflight767 said:

What!?  PMDG isn't doing a cargo or BBJ for the 737?

They are. It's the iFLY without them.

28 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Alright, so you didn’t read my post. I made it clear 3 times that it was not my expectation, we were told what to expect in the days coming to release.

 

Why is this always the response given when people voice their concerns about a product. I enjoy PMDG products, I am allowed to dislike certain aspects about PMDG and their products whilst STILL enjoying their products. It doesn’t have to be black and white, I swear some people just lack nuance.

 No, I read it. And it was pretty clear that YOU held “the expectation”. And chose to ignore the literal truth in the PMDG post. 

you’re acting as though if you don’t get all the info RIGHT NOW you’re being deceived and can’t possibly be expected to make a rational decision BEFORE THE ADDON IS EVEN RELEASED! 🤣

Are you afraid they’re going to run out before you get one?

are you concerned that this PMDG release (in particular) isn’t going to be one the most highly scrutinized releases in all of PMDG’s history…?

1 hour ago, Lucky38i said:

I mean come on.

INDEED!!! 😎

 

35 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Why is this always the response given when people voice their concerns about a product. I enjoy PMDG products, I am allowed to dislike certain aspects about PMDG and their products whilst STILL enjoying their products. It doesn’t have to be black and white, I swear some people just lack nuance.

Because some people can’t handle the truth…?

there’s no “nuance” to be had, so it’s ridiculous to expect any. 

Randazzo is Randazzling - entirely true to form. What else do you expect?

the thing is going to release in literally just a few days. Like, really - you just can’t wait…? 🤣

 

27 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

 No, I read it. And it was pretty clear that YOU held “the expectation”. And chose to ignore the literal truth in the PMDG post. 

you’re acting as though if you don’t get all the info RIGHT NOW you’re being deceived and can’t possibly be expected to make a rational decision BEFORE THE ADDON IS EVEN RELEASED! 🤣

Are you afraid they’re going to run out before you get one?

are you concerned that this PMDG release (in particular) isn’t going to be one the most highly scrutinized releases in all of PMDG’s history…?

INDEED!!! 😎

 

Because some people can’t handle the truth…?

there’s no “nuance” to be had, so it’s ridiculous to expect any. 

Randazzo is Randazzling - entirely true to form. What else do you expect?

the thing is going to release in literally just a few days. Like, really - you just can’t wait…? 🤣

 

Why would he be afraid of them running out it is digital. It is not about waiting not sure where you get that from. I know its always been PMDG to release price on the day. Not sure on reason besides the only one I have heard of is that it could change on the day we all know that's a lie and that they know the price already. Just let us know. "are you concened that this PMDG release (in particular isn't going to be one the most highly scrutinized releases in all of PMDG's history?" It will be already proven to be just that. Maybe a new version of MSFS will come out and pay another upgrade fee for nothing new or barely changed.

1 hour ago, Torkermax said:

Seems I have purchased that thing like 5 TIMES dating back to 2004.

Literally, I have somehow managed to never qualify for a PMDG discount, and I have bought everything dating back to Flight Sim 2004!

Cheers, Pete

39 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

No, I read it. And it was pretty clear that YOU held “the expectation”. And chose to ignore the literal truth in the PMDG post. 

Ok. We can agree to disagree and that’s alright.

 

40 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

you’re acting as though if you don’t get all the info RIGHT NOW you’re being deceived and can’t possibly be expected to make a rational decision BEFORE THE ADDON IS EVEN RELEASED! 🤣

That’s definitely an extrapolation from my words if I’ve ever seen one, but alright, sure. If you say so

 

41 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Are you afraid they’re going to run out before you get one?

are you concerned that this PMDG release (in particular) isn’t going to be one the most highly scrutinized releases in all of PMDG’s history…?

Further extrapolating on something I didn’t even make a subtle hint at. you’re really formulating a lot out of what little I said.

42 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

there’s no “nuance” to be had, so it’s ridiculous to expect any. 

I think you’re not really understanding my point about nuance even though I was really clear about it but… alright.

43 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

the thing is going to release in literally just a few days. Like, really - you just can’t wait…? 🤣

 

Once again, I didn’t even make any hints about being impatient for the release, again extracting meaning out of things I didn’t even imply at.

According to you I am not allowed to follow through with expectations that are defined by the developer (not expectations I set, for the 4th time).

ok… I’m just going to stop responding to this spat as once again, nuance seems to be missing from the other side of the discussion.

Still no CDPLC? They have it on 777, what's the issue with NGX?