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There is too much fanboyism in this community

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Hello everyone, I realize the title may anger a lot of you, but that was not the point. After reading some comments on a comparison video, I just felt the need to post this. Take a look at the comments on this comparison of PMDGs old 747, and iflys new 747.

 

 

 

I was shocked to find people stubbornly defending PMDGs 10 year old product! Actually saying that it is superior to a 2014 product of quite high quality! Many of them insisted that the PMDG 747 had higher quality systems, and some even tried to say that the exterior modeling and VC was better! When they likely had never bought the product or even seen a good video of it! Why? Simply because it is PMDG. Now, PMDG obviously make extremely good products, but do you really think that a product that old will still be "the best"? Their response to my explanation of the products age: "Wait for the V2, it will be out in a few months!" Well, it has been two years, and where is the V2? NOWHERE! Because PMDG are taking their time to make a good product for us to enjoy! Correct me if I am wrong, but in 2014, PMDG were still working on the modeling! Had someone bought the ifly 747 when it was released (albeit with its numerous shortcomings and bugs...), they would have gotten their moneys worth by now, even if they did choose to buy PMDGs (quite possibly) "better" version. But its not only PMDG that has ######, ifly has their fair share too! When I posted several notable issues with the ifly 747 that I had observed from videos, I was called a "troll"! I could go on and on with examples, but I will leave it here. So what are your thoughts? Do we need to be more open as a community to other products? Or am I blatantly lying? One thing I do not want is to start a flamewar, so please lets have a constructive discussion, about this topic.

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There is too much fanboyism in every community, and this community is no exception.

 

I would personally wait for PMDG 747 v2 to come out and then we could discuss this subject and compare it to iFly;s product.

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Your first mistake: reading comments on Youtube (or even news websites)

 

If it is a popular website there are going to be thousands of trolls, mostly teenagers just looking for some target to lash out at because they think that is enjoyment.

 

Now that Steam brought flight sim to a wider audience, all the younger aged kids that use Steam are now raiding flight sim videos and streams with comments like: fly this X aircraft! Do a barrel roll! Crash into a building! This company sucks! etc.

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One thing that peeves me most is looking at the comments of a video like Matt Davies. It is flooded with things like "fly an A380", or a 787, or any other plane that was built in the last 5 years that obviously does not have any good addons!

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Armchair pilots discussing armchair renditions of airplanes made for armchair simulations. Yep, they surely got a grip on things.

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They are everywhere. AVSIM, included. Just don't engage them.

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Don't worry about it... these discussions are full of sound and fury and signify nothing (with apologies). You want discussions that really get fired up, join the comments sections of your major newspapers online.

 

DJ

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Armchair pilots discussing armchair renditions of airplanes made for armchair simulations. Yep, they surely got a grip on things.

 Ha ha :LMAO:  Good one!

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I've got a good grip on things here: Virtually sitting in a virtual cockpit looking at the virtual overhead panel where there was a virtual FAULT indicator (lit with a virtual LED no doubt). Thanks to the internet I nailed that sucker down STAT!

 

(POSKY 777 with JB panel - had to edit the cfg file to ensure electric pumps = 1)   :dance:

 

Sad? Me? no... hobbies keep the mind active!  :hi:

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I have the iFly 747. It's sensational and I have no qualms about calling it one of if not the best add-on available, and that's in FS9 after my PC with FSX finally gave up. So that says something.

 

Sadly, like the op, listening to the garbage being posted about it and the 737 models being toys and vastly inferior is pure slander and has no basis of anything factual.

 

 

Easy answer to the fanboyism. Just make AVISM 18+ and all those little kids who have no idea won't be a problem.

 

 

Problem solved. :)

 

Mark L.

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Now that Steam brought flight sim to a wider audience, all the younger aged kids that use Steam are now raiding flight sim videos and streams with comments like: fly this X aircraft! Do a barrel roll! Crash into a building! This company sucks! etc.

 

Could have fooled me. I remember quite a bit of this happening before FSX ever came to Steam. Just look at the P3D/DTG/Xplane debates that go on here. I dont think anything has changed and nothing ever will. 

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Just make AVISM 18+ and all those little kids who have no idea won't be a problem.

 

 

Well, that would certainly be a problem given how many young people we have in the community, and it's from those  young people that many knowledgable and expeirenced FS enthusiasts will come.  They replenish our ranks, especially if mentored, and that's what helps keep developers in our genre.

 

That said, I'll have to admit that people supporting a developer because they think it's cool and/or makes them part of the in crowd happens a lot and yeah, it can be annoying.  What is worse is having 30+ years in flight sim and being flamed a young, novice user who doesn't understand the topic or something I wrote. Hard to take, even when you consider the source. But I don't think there is anything we'll ever be able to do about it, young people grow at their own pace.

 

My solution?  I created a PRIVATE group (age 24+) about 10 years ago for people in FS who had similar interests (flying realistically in Shared Cockpit in the Maddog MD-80, Dash 8 Pro and Aerosoft Airbus as well as some GA Aircraft). That proved to be great fun and we eventually we caught the eye of several leading developers with whom we enjoyed many years of testing new products. This was born out of the synergy of good people with similar interests. That I think, is the only solution besides turning a deaf ear at times.

 

But we still have to respect and mentor our younger brothers and sisters, because the make up a pretty large segment of our community.

 

Best wishes and Happy Flights to all!

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Your first mistake: reading comments on Youtube (or even news websites)

 

If it is a popular website there are going to be thousands of trolls, mostly teenagers just looking for some target to lash out at because they think that is enjoyment.

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

It's really a shame that the Internet can really bring out the worst in some people, whether they post hateful comments for fun or not, it's too bad that it's becoming more and more common.

 

Even if you read an article on MSN or other news outlets and scroll down to the comments section you'll see adults arguing, spewing hateful comments at one another, etc. I've gotten to where I don't even read comment sections on most news or social media sites anymore.

My solution? I created a PRIVATE group (age 24+) about 10 years ago for people in FS who had similar interests (flying realistically in Shared Cockpit in the Maddog MD-80, Dash 8 Pro and Aerosoft Airbus as well as some GA Aircraft). That proved to be great fun and we eventually we caught the eye of several leading developers with whom we enjoyed many years of testing new products. This was born out of the synergy of good people with similar interests. That I think, is the only solution besides turning a deaf ear at times.

 

I like the cut of your jib.

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But we still have to respect and mentor our younger brothers and sisters, because the make up a pretty large segment of our community.

 

Best wishes and Happy Flights to all!

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First world problems for Boeing heavy metal fans ("my B7x7 is better than yours!"). Still waiting for a top-tier dev to make a good regional jet for FSX/P3D.  :Waiting:

 

I think if you have a product that does what you want and you enjoy it, and it's not full of bugs that drive you nuts, and folks that made it support it and stand behind it, then it's a good choice and who is to say otherwise. Just ignore the trolls and the self-appointed know-it-alls.

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Sort of reminds me of some heated discussions on the flightsim forums back some 10, or more, years ago. Specifically, Ford is better than Chevy, Coke is better than Pepsi, and Ferrari is better than Maserati. Lots of support on both sides of those issues and the arguments for and against still go on today. Such is the world we live in.....even when it comes to flight simulator "stuff".

 

Doug

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Easy answer to the fanboyism. Just make AVISM 18+ and all those little kids who have no idea won't be a problem.

 

Problem solved. :)

Cmon! I am under 18, and fairly mature. Honestly, I can very easily find some 15 year olds more mature then some 25 year olds...

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Easy answer to the fanboyism. Just make AVISM 18+ and all those little kids who have no idea won't be a problem.

 

Age does not equal maturity.

 

Hence, the term manchildren being formed.

 

This place is calmer than a lot of places I've been to.

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Age != Maturity.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!! 

 

Where?

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!! 

 

Where?

 

The '!=' means NOT EQUAL TO. It's programming syntax.

 

Therefore, translated into grammar, it means 'Age does not equal maturity'

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The '!' means NOT. It's programming syntax.

 

I probably should have written it as a word. Fixed it.

 

Where?

 

One such place mentioned here, I was in a sweat, due to the amount of stress from just reading the posts on this particular forum.

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Your first mistake: reading comments on Youtube (or even news websites)

 

I don't think that's the mistake. I comment on YouTube and engage in YT conversations all the time.

 

The mistake is not filtering the trolls out. That video is prone to trolling in the first place: first because it doesn't make much sense as the OP says to compare products that are 10 years apart and second because the video doesn't approach the comparison in a rigorous way (the objectively horrible music doesn't help either, haha).

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so please lets have a constructive discussion, about this topic.

But why? What is here to discuss? Who cares what some ###### writes about anything.

On top of that you exhibit all the traits of one of those fan-boys you are so eager to rail against.

You are under 18? - it shows.

BTW, I own neither of these two products, never owned any 747 sim, never cared for a 747 on my desktop but just looking at this video alone - I would have a hard time picking up the winner. I did notice a most likely slightly better resolution of the iFly's cockpit rendering. 

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