1 minute ago, Christopher Low said:

I just need it to work.

I would check control assignments for rudder pedals and differential brakes, and perhaps increase the response curves

I did not need differential brake settings in P3Dv4. The brakes also reacted instantly in P3Dv4, rather than the one second pause, and then effect that I see in MSFS. The latter is rather annoying. Almost as annoying as the stupid wheel skidding.

1 hour ago, F737MAX said:

I found turning SMT off harmed performance (introduced stutters in the sim).

Instead, try undervolting your CPU using a negative value in the PBO curve optimiser–I use -25 as an all core value (rather than taking the time and effort to test and run what's possible on individual cores).

PPT lowered to 95W and EDC to 90A (TDC left at 70A).

Result is a cooler CPU that boosts to and holds its maximum frequency much longer.

Thanks, but I'm already undervolting for months after upgrading to a 3DFX cpu.  When I undervolt too much the computer shut off by itself about once every 10 hours (even though the app 45 minute test showed no reliability problems).  So I just undervolt about half of what I used to and now and that cured the issue, no more shutdowns the last 6 months. I forget how much I settled on. But the whatever it is, it's shown in the BIOS how much it's being undervolted.

As for hyperthreading I have only tried that some hours ago. So far I don't see it made a difference good or bad.

This beta is all good for me. I have used all the betas for a couple of years. So when the various SUs have been released, the changes are trivial.

To see over 100 fps on my standard test flight out of default JFK towards Manhattan was something I never dreamed of before this beta (Ultra render preset, DLSS quality, both LODs 200). And always DX12.

I never use anything but DLSS because I care not a fig about what looks to me a barely noticeable loss of glass screen sharpness, but highly value the fewer stutters and smoothness of DLSS.

5 hours ago, FBW737 said:

Classic Placebo effect. Don't feel bad. Nobody is immune!🤪

not at all.   Especially when considering it was one of the specific things changed, improved and highlighted on weeks ago.  I'm all with you on placebo effect being a thing around here.  Especially with GPU drivers and ground handling (While we wait for devs to update each particular plane).  But I think you are incorrect on this one about performance.  Most noticeable when snapping from one preset view to another or panning.  Not sure if some related to my setup or not. I've been around here for a while and not one to be tricked or suckered by placebo effect.  Like I said earlier.  I'm back to the same performance I had a few sim update's ago.  I don't remember the specific one.  But one of them was a setback for me that took months to get back from.  

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I just want the kind of ground handling that I enjoyed in P3Dv4. I don't need it to be real world realistic. I just need it to work.

No thanks to that. Planes felt like they had no weight on the ground in older sims. Check your assignments as mentioned by others. Right curves and sensitivity is all you need. 

14 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Q (Sergio): All that makes a lot of sense. With more computational power, more stuff can be done. But I started to wonder about limits. How many cores can we eventually use for this? Sebastian answered that as well.

A (Seb): So, we don't have currently a hard limit set, it's just the limit of the memory. At some point, it's gonna drop the performance, right?

What we measure right now, and we're not finished optimizing, we're already at a four to five times performance increase. And I think we're gonna maybe get 10 […] you can easily add 10 times more surfaces, right? It's very quickly, right?

And so, I think if people add 20 times more surfaces than before, well, then you may be gonna offload, you know, load the other threads. And the more you load, the more you take away compute power for the terrain, or other stuff, right? Which is using thread.

And at some point, it's gonna have an impact. I don't think we're gonna set a limit. We're gonna limit ourselves, we're gonna have recommendations, but just like today, a third-party aircraft can do a lot of stuff. If it wants to load up the machines, it can.

Memory can be a limit because that would crash. But performance, well... There's no limit.

Also, the new aerodynamics is a lot cheaper on memory than before. Like, this is three or four times cheaper, right? In terms of memory footprint. Which is also necessary because otherwise, if you put more stuff, then you run into memory issues. So, we optimize that as well.
 

Clear as mud lol.

FS has had multi-threading for years/ decades - but originally the only “threaded” function was loading textures as I recall. 

I’d love to know what other functions they’ve now off-loaded from the main thread/ split between available cores? And what further functions they plan to off-load/ split between available cores for MSFS2024?

 

3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I did not need differential brake settings in P3Dv4. The brakes also reacted instantly in P3Dv4, rather than the one second pause, and then effect that I see in MSFS. The latter is rather annoying. Almost as annoying as the stupid wheel skidding.

I don't ever see either of those issues, in any aircraft.

I suspect problems with sensitivity settings.   Especially for the 'one second pause'.  When I move brakes, rudder (or anything else), the action is instantaneous.

3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I did not need differential brake settings in P3Dv4. The brakes also reacted instantly in P3Dv4, rather than the one second pause, and then effect that I see in MSFS. The latter is rather annoying. Almost as annoying as the stupid wheel skidding.

You need to accept that you need to change settings for different Sims, they don't all work exactly the same way or the way you'd like them too. I don't personally own any other flight Sims but I've seen plenty of discussions over the 3+ years of MSFS that other people say it's unique in the way you need to setup certain controls, I know for a fact that different racing Sims require different settings for example, I see and read there's no difference here.

3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I did not need differential brake settings in P3Dv4. The brakes also reacted instantly in P3Dv4, rather than the one second pause, and then effect that I see in MSFS. The latter is rather annoying. Almost as annoying as the stupid wheel skidding.

Double post

Edited February 16, 20242 yr by MarcG

1 hour ago, tfm said:

Clear as mud lol.

FS has had multi-threading for years/ decades - but originally the only “threaded” function was loading textures as I recall. 

I’d love to know what other functions they’ve now off-loaded from the main thread/ split between available cores? And what further functions they plan to off-load/ split between available cores for MSFS2024?

Well, this is just preliminary info they gave last July about MSFS 2024 and since then have been intentionally mum about it saying they'll start giving details Spring 2024 onwards, so let's see. What it does sound like is they're aiming for better multi-threading and spreading of the workloads (one example being the physics/aerodynamics calculations taken off the main thread). And what they've seen so far is 4x-5x improvements in the physics calculations/processing time (which is going to be useful for the coming increased surfaces capabilities in aircraft geometry, etc which then increases CFD calculations times).
 

Edited February 16, 20242 yr by lwt1971

In case you have it, is your PMDG 737 working properly since the BETA? I have several issues. When I load directly into  the runway, the cockpit is sometimes completely dark (no gauges active) while engines are running. If I go back to the main menu and load again into the very same situation cockpit is back. I also have some issues with the flaps indicator. Maybe there are more issues, but I have not yet seen any other reports.

Edited February 16, 20242 yr by Nemo

Has anyone tried the Blackbox Sim Shorts 330 in the beta ?

I've tried a couple of times now and it's hung when when starting the flight but I'm not sure yet if it's an issue with the plane or some weirdness on my system.

12 hours ago, FBW737 said:

... I decided to stay away from beta's and sure enough this one broke the PMDG 737...

I installed the Beta yesterday, flew the PMDG last night with no issues at all.

20 minutes ago, Nemo said:

In case you have it, is your PMDG 737 working properly since the BETA? I have several issues. When I load directly into  the runway, the cockpit is sometimes completely dark (no gauges active) while engines are running. If I go back to the main menu and load again into the very same situation cockpit is back. I also have some issues with the flaps indicator. Maybe there are more issues, but I have not yet seen any other reports.

No issues on my side. Made quite a few flights. Powered pc down, poerered it on loaded msfs, made a couple more flights, quit msfs re loaded flight with this ac, no problems here.

20 minutes ago, Nemo said:

In case you have it, is your PMDG 737 working properly since the BETA? I have several issues. When I load directly into  the runway, the cockpit is sometimes completely dark (no gauges active) while engines are running. If I go back to the main menu and load again into the very same situation cockpit is back. I also have some issues with the flaps indicator. Maybe there are more issues, but I have not yet seen any other reports.

Yup,,,I got the strange panel also when starting a flight but a restart of flight fixed it.  The other weird thing is that if there is no interaction for a certain amount of time (I stepped away from PC a couple times during flight for 15-20 minutes) when you move the mouse the landing gear extends.  There might also be some issues when choosing a panel state.  I tried to load up 'Takeoff' panel state and had total hydraulic loss which could not be fixed through the failure menu (Failures were off).